(June 24, 2018 at 10:32 pm)Haipule Wrote: ...there is no math in nature...

Musht be shome mishtake.

Quote:There are a lot of things going on there, including waves, but it is still just one thing in a beautiful harmonious symphonic interplay.

(June 24, 2018 at 9:37 pm)Haipule Wrote: One thing certain is that: the particle/wave dualism is completely stupid! How in the fuck can light be both a wave and a particle?  Maxwell's equations? Einstein's relativity? Can you explain force? Show me a particle or, explain a field outside of particle theory? 

Isn't everything just a field with interaction, reaction and interplay?

There is one thing that is just as fucking stupid: Trinity doctrines!

On one end, I argue with quantum physics dualism, which is asinine! And on the other end, I argue with trinitarianism which is also asinine!


Can't God(cause) and nature(effect) be just one thing!

How can water both be a wave and a particle?

A unit of water/ one molecule of water is a particle yet when in a volume water in motion moves in waves.

like wise an individual unit of light is a particle, but in volume that is in motion it moves in a frequency/wave.

That said the trinity is more simple to understand.

God the word God itself is a title not an individual's name. 

As in:
God the Father 
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.

There is only one "God" in three distinct persons.

(June 25, 2018 at 9:24 am)Drich Wrote:

(June 24, 2018 at 9:37 pm)Haipule Wrote: One thing certain is that: the particle/wave dualism is completely stupid! How in the fuck can light be both a wave and a particle?  Maxwell's equations? Einstein's relativity? Can you explain force? Show me a particle or, explain a field outside of particle theory? 

Isn't everything just a field with interaction, reaction and interplay?

There is one thing that is just as fucking stupid: Trinity doctrines!

On one end, I argue with quantum physics dualism, which is asinine! And on the other end, I argue with trinitarianism which is also asinine!


Can't God(cause) and nature(effect) be just one thing!

How can water both be a wave and a particle?

A unit of water/ one molecule of water is a particle yet when in a volume water in motion moves in waves.

like wise an individual unit of light is a particle, but in volume that is in motion it moves in a frequency/wave.

That said the trinity is more simple to understand.

God the word God itself is a title not an individual's name. 

As in:
God the Father 
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit.

There is only one "God" in three distinct persons.

There is not a single passage, or verse, that establishes "one "God" in three distinct persons"--NOT ONE! That is just 2nd century theologic nonsense from the likes of the Latin speaking clown Tertullian. "Big Father, smaller iesus and even smaller spiritus(breath)", And man who gave the world "trinitas". His doctrine has eventually become equals through further theologic nonsense.

Did Jesus say that, "I and the Father are one". Notice how essence is neither implied nor stated? Did Jesus say, "How long have you been with me Phillip?" 'Those who have been seeing me have been seeing the Father." 'How is it you ask me to 'show to you-all the Father'?"


Jesus is the Father because He is the Head of the house! And Paul said, "Who's house we are". Or, what does the word "Father" mean to you?


Does elohim mean "Father". Does El-Shaddai mean "Father". Does YHWY mean "Father". Do the Jews repeat. "The Lord is our God, the Lord is one"? In the OT: does "Lord" refer to Jesus? Did Jesus exist before He was even born? Good luck with your "Theophanies"!
 
Did any Jew ever, including Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, John ever teach "The Trinity"?

Does the autographed language of the bible in John 1 say the that the Word was pros(in the accusative case, when the motion is complete, means: to affix, attach, connect, mount). Or, does it say the Word was "with" God? Was Jesus "with" the tree having an intimate relationship? Or, was Jesus pros--MOUNTED, AFFIXED and ATTACHED!


Did that connection of Word and God as one thing, according to John, make the all things of the universe to verse 5? And, in John 1:14 did that WORD-GOD became flesh? Is Jesus the Living Word according to 1 John 1:1? 


Well alrighty then! Wave/particle theory is just as stupid as "Trinity". Either way, the only way to be that insanely stupid is to go to college and learn the complete asinine insanity! Whether particle/wave duality or, "Trinity". Because college is were you learn how to be stupid from stupid. It's ok right? They gots a PHD! And you must pass the test and get the grade so we can all be assured that you properly know how to be just as stupid! Then you can take and pass a complete erroneous ordination test written by stupid! Then we can all play church! 


Ocean waves and water are one thing whether ocean, steam, ice! It's still all just water! (Being foolish)You see, there is this caterpillar and butterfly thingy which establishes a "duality". NO!!! It's just one thing! Always has been and always will be!

Like talking to a doorknob!

(June 26, 2018 at 3:11 am)Haipule Wrote: There is not a single passage, or verse, that establishes "one "God" in three distinct persons"--NOT ONE!

The Term God the father or Father God is used 201 times
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch...=47&end=73
The term God the Son of Son of God is used 133 times in the NT
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch...=47&end=73
The Word Holy Spirit is used 44 times
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch...=47&end=73

AND... Jesus Christ Himself establishes the deity of the Holy SPirit when one at His baptism he attributes all the power given Him to the Father come in the way of the Holy Spirit and Again when the pharisees attributed The HolY Spirit's works to be that of the devil, He then said that was the unforgivable sin. IF God the Father has a son then know the son dentifies the Holy Spirit as a member of the trinity.

Those who say there are not one verse that supposrts the deity of the trinity are usally the nut jobs who tear out passages in their bibles because it is satan talking or some such nonsense.

Quote:That is just 2nd century theologic nonsense from the likes of the Latin speaking clown Tertullian. "Big Father, smaller iesus and even smaller spiritus(breath)", And man who gave the world "trinitas". His doctrine has eventually become equals through further theologic nonsense.

Quote:Did Jesus say that, "I and the Father are one".

Yes One God "mormon" (moron for short) But again God is a title and not a name. one God like one government that rules the united states. yet can't the congressional branch shut down the government even if it is against the exucutiive branch wishes? I thought there was only one government governing the united states??? so then how can one government be so divided. That is because our one government in trinitarian by nature. it is one government expressed into 3 coequal parts. Like wise Christ' will and the will of the Father was shown to be seperate when Christ prayed that this cup be taken from me, but He ultimately differed to the will of the Father.

Quote:Notice how essence is neither implied nor stated? Did Jesus say, "How long have you been with me Phillip?" 'Those who have been seeing me have been seeing the Father." 'How is it you ask me to 'show to you-all the Father'?"

You are intentionally misquoting the bible moron.. 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me. 7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father too. But now you know the Father. You have seen him.”

8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father. That is all we need.”

9 Jesus answered, “Philip, I have been with you for a long time. So you should know me. Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father too. So why do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The things I have told you don’t come from me. The Father lives in me, and he is doing his own work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done.

Wow the way the bible tells it, it looks like Jesus was making a very distinct separation between himself and the Father. quite a bit different than your 'quote' wonder why your was so off what was actually written.. could it be you are dishonest and are pushing an agenda based theology?

Quote:Jesus is the Father because He is the Head of the house! And Paul said, "Who's house we are". Or, what does the word "Father" mean to you?

wow more misquoted passages.. albe it minor it is enough to completely change the reading. no wonder you do not cut and paste passages ever. (Can't make crap like that up and claim it was cut and paste without breaking some rules.

Quote:Does elohim mean "Father". Does El-Shaddai mean "Father".

El=God of Shaddai which is up for much debate. often used to describe almighty God.

Quote: Does YHWY mean "Father".

The pronounced name of the Father without the vowels so the name can not be spoken.

Quote: Do the Jews repeat. "The Lord is our God, the Lord is one"? In the OT: does "Lord"

Do american repeat We are ONE NATiON under God? are we not infact 3? then perhaps the word nation is a little more expansive in the english than what you have come to understand. like wise if you simple look at how and when the word God is used through scripture it is used to describe a generic position or it is a place holder for authority. seldom is it mean to represent a given name like YHWY The God of the egyptians were still known to the jews elohim.

Quote:refer to Jesus? Did Jesus exist before He was even born? Good luck with your "Theophanies"!

 elohim= generic term for god, again points to a title or position and not an individual's name. the same word would be used to describe a different god if a jew was speaking.
example you shall have no other gods before me:
Masoretic TextShow Cantilliation Marks OffShow Vowel Points On
Reverse Interlinear
English (KJV) [?]
Strong's
Root
Transliterated
Parsing
Thou shalt have no other

PHRASE
h312

אַחֵר
'acher
Pronounce Hebrew root for H312 אַחֵר


gods

h430

אֱלֹהִים
'elohiym
Pronounce Hebrew root for H430 אֱלֹהִים


before me

PHRASE
h6440

פָּנִים
paniym

An honest man would be feeling his theological world view closing in on him right about now.

Quote:Did any Jew ever, including Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, John ever teach "The Trinity"?

the trinity is just a vocabulary word that describes acknoewledgement and action the men you listed (those privy to the last days of christ and the events leading up to and including acts 2) incorperated into their every day life..

You asked a loaded question like did any of these men ever say " God is love" is the term "is god is love written any where in the original text??? No why? not because the idea was not being conveyed it is because the words "God is love" was not apart of the lexicon yet. like wise the word trinity had not been adopted into the lexicon, but the actions of the doctrine and acknowledgements of the personages of the Father Son and Holy Spirit are well established (go back to the beginning of this post where I list over 300 separate time/terms that speak to the Father son and Holy Spirit as all being equal deity among the god head. Again an honest man can not deny that.

As far as your usage of the jews and what they believe, this too is a one sided moron tactic. in that all the jews who saw and accepted christ back then were immediately known as CHRISTIANS or they were no longer calling them selves jews even if they had not heard the term Christian yet. The "jews" you speak of were/are the descendants of the pharisees, because as you should know in 70ad the Sadducees were all wiped out by the romans. now honestly ask yourself. what 'good' interaction did Jesus have with any of that sect? Then why in the Hell are you using their supposed knowledge of the bible as a gold standard? Didn't jesus personally admonish their lack of biblical knowledge when ever he called them blind guides snakes and fools?
why do I care what a blind guide says about the bible? it would be like learning from you. In that they made the bible say whatever they wanted. Which had nothing to do with God it seems (or Jesus would not have been so mad at them)

Quote:Does the autographed language of the bible in John 1 say the that the Word was pros(in the accusative case, when the motion is complete, means: to affix, attach, connect, mount). Or, does it say the Word was "with" God? Was Jesus "with" the tree having an intimate relationship? Or, was Jesus pros--MOUNTED, AFFIXED and ATTACHED!

It means" "With" to be next to along side of... you know WITH!!!!
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lex...4314&t=KJV
to the advantage of

at, near, by

to, towards, with, with regard to

Quote:Did that connection of Word and God as one thing, according to John, make the all things of the universe to verse 5? And, in John 1:14 did that WORD-GOD became flesh? Is Jesus the Living Word according to 1 John 1:1? 

Are you a morom.. seriously? I have not seen this much misrepresentation of Christianity since the last mormon we had on here.

1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was there with God in the beginning. 3 Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him. 4 In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world. 5 The light[b] shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated[c] it.

pretty clear to me.. the "word" is a literal name for the Son of God. Jesus being his bodily name or the person born to Marry. The Son of God is a much older being which was at the side of the father in the time of creation. this passage says these two seperate being made everything together.

Quote:Well alrighty then! Wave/particle theory is just as stupid as "Trinity".

ahain all three have in common is a concept you seem to have difficulty understanding. like if someone were to ask me what is your favorite trilogy I would say the original star wars... but a douche such as yourself would say: "Excuse me but the word trilogy does not appear in the titles of those movies" Then I'd say the word trilogy simply describes what these movies are, but you would go on and on about how this could not be considered a trilogy. You just can't seem to understand it is ok for other to impose a title or a word not unsed in the orginal script to describe a doctrine or sequence that is indeed apart of the original.

That is all that has happened here sport, no need rewrite your bible to adopt your exclusionary legalism.

Quote: Either way, the only way to be that insanely stupid is to go to college and learn the complete asinine insanity! Whether particle/wave duality or, "Trinity". Because college is were you learn how to be stupid from stupid. It's ok right? They gots a PHD! And you must pass the test and get the grade so we can all be assured that you properly know how to be just as stupid! Then you can take and pass a complete erroneous ordination test written by stupid! Then we can all play church! 


Ocean waves and water are one thing whether ocean, steam, ice! It's still all just water! (Being foolish)You see, there is this caterpillar and butterfly thingy which establishes a "duality". NO!!! It's just one thing! Always has been and always will be!

this is what I mean. your mind is small it seek to separate all you peas from all your carrots and corn and in your little box, nothing can touch. which is fine if the world onl worked that way., but in truth it does not. if you can't allow your peas and carrots come together that doesn't mean others can't as well. infact for those who can they should be encouraged to move past you and your liits and understanding of God right? after all no man is infinite as God is infinite, and it is without a doubt plausible that there will be many who have the capacity to understand God on a deeper level. therefore would you not give you blessing to such a person or persons? or would you seek to shoot them down and discredit their work because it goes much deeper than your own efforts???

Quote:Like talking to a doorknob!

Indeed I can see that you efforts took very little of what I had to say and answer me directly or as I did with you line by line, meaning for you because your chosen interaction with me was indeed so limited it must have been like talking to a door knob.

Drich, You didn't deal with a single one of my attacks against theology! You just danced around doing the hula--poorly! I'm pretty sure you look stupid in a grass skirt but, I could be wrong about that.

DUDE! Did Jesus live, or even exist, before He was born? How?

If you say, yes: then you must establish a theophany of Jesus pre-birth! Which is IMPOSSIBLE! Since I know that that is impossible, and you are going to Colossians 1:16,--SHIT!

How in the HELL do you get "created" out of ktisis?! Paul merely establish that Jesus established(ktisis) all authority structures of thrones, dominions, rulers, etc, etc, etc.

And for that matter: barah(to speak into existence)! When every verb that has to do with the Latin pollution of creatura, are verbs of forming(Adam), building Eve(banah), making, etc. Then NOTHING is "created"! Nothing is an independent "creature"! EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MADE! For a specific purpose and destiny!

I had to live in followship of Jesus independent of you so that I had the opportunity to be independent of you and your kind! You can't hold me back with your complete bullshit! I was brought here to bling, to shine and be glorious! This thing I have busied myself with! I have NOT been disappointed!

I am a Christian and NOT "Christianity"!! I have a unique purpose and destiny(anointing) and must complete my mission! I will NEVER stand before God, at the bema, and make an excuse for following your complete dumbassedness!

I have to stand there, I HAVE TO STAND THERE! FUCK YOU! And when it's my turn at the bema--WEAR SHADES!!!!

I study the five crowns--NOT THE FIVE CLOWNS!!!!!

Can you keep drich here for as long as possible?

Yeah, you keep him talking and we'll call 9-1-1. The boy needs help.

(June 30, 2018 at 10:20 am)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah, you keep him talking and we'll call 9-1-1.  The boy needs help.

That's the point: my good friend! It's the difference between arithmetic vs. math. Which is similar to: Cooking vs. Recipe. Any idiot can read a recipe! But, how many really know how to cook? The difference between cooing and recipe is vast! Same with arithmetic and math.

Heat + Food = Cooking. Somehow, that simple equation got lost in the recipe!

Dripshit doesn't know how to get his head out of his own ass so, no.  I would not trust his cooking.

Drich: I do understand that God is revealed to us in a multicity of ways far beyond "triune". Both in the OT and NT. Yet, united as Jesus, the promised Messiah, in the NT. Therefore God is a man or, also man. By my claiming that Jesus is God: I am not a fucking Mormon or JW!

Also, the Nicene Creed can bite me!

The "Holy Spirit" IS the revelation of God, given through logos(words that reveal intellect) known universally as SCRIPTURE--the theopnustos--God-Breathed SCRIPTURE! It is revealed as such in every one of those 44 occurrences!

"David said, in the (spirit)pneuma", the God-Breathed Scripture. NOT "THE SPIRIT"! The words are usually written as 'pneuma hagion' which is a NEUTER noun with a NEUTER adjective. The adjective is hagion which means pure, unpolluted, undefiled making it special and unique, separating a class from a class. It is in the predicate position which means it is making an assertation about the noun it modifies. The noun is pneuma which means (depending on the usage in context) living-breath or, the breath of intellect given from an exterior source, such as the God-Breathed Scriptures.

Internal, born with, intellect and instinct, is Scripturally known as psuchE. Unfortunately, some IDIOT translated that as "soul". pneuma is information external that we glean and gather when we communicate with others or, read their books, watch TV, etc. Unfortunately, some idiot translated that as "Spirit". It's not that animals have a "soul" but do not have a "Spirit". It is that animals have a natural instinctive intellect but they do not posses the ability to glean information such as to read a book.

Hebrews 4:12 tells us that the Word of God acts like a knife and can divide stupid psuchE from smart psuchE and stupid pneuma from smart pneuma. It, the Logos of God, His pneuma/logos/Scripture, is fixing the problem through division!

hagion, in the masculine, is hagios. And some IDIOT translated that as "saint". Therefore, we go through a purification process known as hagiosmos, or purification some IDIOT translated as "sanctification".

In the Greek, the masculine gender often refers to everyone or a large segment of the population. Female groups are female and masculine small groups are masculine. However, smaller mixed groups are always neuter.

Therefore, the Greek phrase "to pneuma to hagion"(thee pneuma-breath (namely)thee pure), often refers to us as a pure breath of God' male and female. Therefore, Ananias and Saphira did NOT lie to the "Holy Spirit"! They lied to the congregation that was with Peter that Peter called 'to hagion to pneuma' as plainly stated in context.

To "grieve the Holy Spirit" then is to cause sorrows(plural) to the 'to pneuma to hagion' that are in congregation which is the context of Ephesians 4.

If you wish to argue this with me, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stay out of John 14! I have no problem with the passage AT ALL! It's just that the gender changes between pneuma and paraklEtos are mind numbing in English. However, make perfect sense in Greek.