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(July 7, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Constantly disrespecting our beliefs (not just disagreeing with them).

You deserve to have your beliefs disrespected.  They are stupid.  It's the 21st century, man.  Not the 8th.  There are no fucking miracles.  The problem with xtians is that for centuries, while you had the power to do so, you would routinely murder those who disputed your bullshit.  I get that you look upon them as the good old days but those days are gone.  If you can't produce evidence to support your claims - and you never have - then you are simply shit out of luck.  Stop whining.

I think religionist beliefs need to be deliberately and specifically disrespected to counteract the sense of entitlement that goes with them, otherwise they will just try to spread their infection.

I can respect people's right to hold beliefs and to practice them, to do whatever rituals they feel they need to do, and to be protected from persecution as long as they're not hurting anyone. That doesn't mean I have to respect the beliefs themselves.

I never go out of my way to disrespect people's beliefs, though. It's a different matter when people are making the choice to come here and parade them around. That makes them fair game.

People have the right to religious thought and practice till they move into a sphere where it effects other people by influence then the gloves come off .

I always try and have a sensible discussion with woo artists first, if they seem willing to have one. I very much enjoy the rare times when this actually happens. But when they instead resort to infantile behaviour or stubbornly stamp their feet and repeat the same nonsense over and over, there's not much left to be done but to ridicule the beliefs.

I try and use constructive satire personally, to demonstrate just how stupid the beliefs are in relation to reality and logic.

(July 10, 2018 at 9:32 am)robvalue Wrote: I try and use constructive satire personally, to demonstrate just how stupid the beliefs are in relation to reality and logic.

I try that but it's frustrating when they can't see how the two are similar. I think it's because they are so used to their own fantasies that it feels normal to them.

I suppose I should ask how their beliefs are different from what I am comparing it to.

(July 10, 2018 at 9:38 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(July 10, 2018 at 9:32 am)robvalue Wrote: I try and use constructive satire personally, to demonstrate just how stupid the beliefs are in relation to reality and logic.

I try that but it's frustrating when they can't see how the two are similar. I think it's because they are so used to their own fantasies that it feels normal to them.

I suppose I should ask how their beliefs are different from what I am comparing it to.

Yeah... I wonder how much of it has to do with upbringing. I've always been fascinated about how children are taught how to distinguish reality from fantasy while being religiously indoctrinated, and I concluded the latter has to start first, if the former even happens at all. We seem to be left with a lot of adults who are seriously out of touch with reality (or perhaps just feel they have to keep saying these things, even though they know much of it is nonsense).

@RR, it would be much easier, and would streamline the discussion, if you could quote specific points that I have made, and respond to them within the text. Anyhow, I’m on vacation for four days, but I will get back to you when we are home!

(July 11, 2018 at 10:04 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: @RR, it would be much easier, and would streamline the discussion, if you could quote specific points that I have made, and respond to them within the text. Anyhow, I’m on vacation for four days, but I will get back to you when we are home!

Ok...on large posts, it can end in a large post, or too broken up, so some times it seems better to just post a paragraph. But if it’s easier for you, I’ll make the change. Enjoy your vacation