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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 11:58 am
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm
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(July 11, 2018 at 11:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: When is enough evidence enough?
J. Warner Wallace
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVWrZfcPAc&autoplay=1
This is why I didn't bother to click that link.
Quote:James "Jim" Warner Wallace is an American homicide detective and Christian apologist. Wallace is a Senior Fellow at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview and an Adjunct Professor of Apologetics at Biola University in La Mirada, California.
AKA; liar for Jeebus.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:31 pm
(July 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Succubus Wrote: (July 11, 2018 at 11:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: When is enough evidence enough?
J. Warner Wallace
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVWrZfcPAc&autoplay=1
This is why I didn't bother to click that link.
Quote:James "Jim" Warner Wallace is an American homicide detective and Christian apologist. Wallace is a Senior Fellow at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview and an Adjunct Professor of Apologetics at Biola University in La Mirada, California.
AKA; liar for Jeebus.
Translation: la la la la.... I can’t hear you in my echo chamber.
If you don’t want to be reasonable, or listen to others views, that’s one thing. But attacking someone’s character for no reason only weakens your position.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:39 pm
(July 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Succubus Wrote: (July 11, 2018 at 11:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: When is enough evidence enough?
J. Warner Wallace
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVWrZfcPAc&autoplay=1
This is why I didn't bother to click that link.
Quote:James "Jim" Warner Wallace is an American homicide detective and Christian apologist. Wallace is a Senior Fellow at the Colson Center for Christian Worldview and an Adjunct Professor of Apologetics at Biola University in La Mirada, California.
AKA; liar for Jeebus.
I watched it. You didn't miss anything. He makes a distinction between 'reasonable doubt' and 'possible doubt' as it pertains to court cases and then just asserts that doubts about the Gospel claims fall into the latter category, not the former, when one really understands.
It's like listening to SteveII, without the Alvin Plantinga crib sheet.
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2018 at 12:48 pm by Succubus.)
(July 11, 2018 at 12:31 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (July 11, 2018 at 12:12 pm)Succubus Wrote: This is why I didn't bother to click that link.
AKA; liar for Jeebus.
Translation: la la la la.... I can’t hear you in my echo chamber.
If you don’t want to be reasonable, or listen to others views, that’s one thing. But attacking someone’s character for no reason only weakens your position.
I've been listening to your views for sixty fucking years!
And in all those years I've nothing new. Nothing!*
*Edit. Crossless just made that point for me.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:42 pm
(July 11, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: I watched it. You didn't miss anything. He makes a distinction between 'reasonable doubt' and 'possible doubt' as it pertains to court cases and then just asserts that doubts about the Gospel claims fall into the latter category, not the former, when one really understands.
It's like listening to SteveII, without the Alvin Plantinga crib sheet.
He died of boredom so we didn't have to. Well done!
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:51 pm
(July 11, 2018 at 12:42 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (July 11, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: I watched it. You didn't miss anything. He makes a distinction between 'reasonable doubt' and 'possible doubt' as it pertains to court cases and then just asserts that doubts about the Gospel claims fall into the latter category, not the former, when one really understands.
It's like listening to SteveII, without the Alvin Plantinga crib sheet.
He died of boredom so we didn't have to. Well done!
. . . because I love you all so much!
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm
(July 11, 2018 at 11:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: When is enough evidence enough?
J. Warner Wallace
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVWrZfcPAc&autoplay=1
Just a note: this is a short video; one of the one minute apologist videos. Certainly not extensive, and doesn’t make the case for the Christian history. But does fit into the discussion on evidence. Which is why I posted it.
J. Wallace is a retired cold case detective, formally aggressive atheist who became a Christian because of the evidence.
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 1:21 pm
(This post was last modified: July 11, 2018 at 1:28 pm by Simon Moon.)
(July 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (July 11, 2018 at 11:58 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: When is enough evidence enough?
J. Warner Wallace
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1aVWrZfcPAc&autoplay=1
Just a note: this is a short video; one of the one minute apologist videos. Certainly not extensive, and doesn’t make the case for the Christian history. But does fit into the discussion on evidence. Which is why I posted it.
J. Wallace is a retired cold case detective, formally aggressive atheist who became a Christian because of the evidence.
I read Cold-Case Christianity a few years ago. Wallace is guilty of most of the same fallacious reasoning as any other apologist.
His being a detective adds nothing to his case.
If you want to hear a point by point demolishment of his book, watch this series -
Let me add, that this book does not even hold up to the 'quality' of books by McDowell, Craig, and Strobel. Which are also loaded with fallacious arguments.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Atheism
July 11, 2018 at 1:29 pm
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(July 11, 2018 at 1:21 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (July 11, 2018 at 12:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Just a note: this is a short video; one of the one minute apologist videos. Certainly not extensive, and doesn’t make the case for the Christian history. But does fit into the discussion on evidence. Which is why I posted it.
J. Wallace is a retired cold case detective, formally aggressive atheist who became a Christian because of the evidence.
I read Cold-Case Christianity a few years ago. Wallace is guilty of most of the same fallacious reasoning as any other apologist.
His being a detective adds nothing to his case.
If you want to hear a point by point demolishment of his book, watch this series -
Let me add, that this book does not even hold up to the 'quality' of books by McDowell, Craig, and Strobel. Which are also loaded with fallacious arguments.
I don't know if I will have time to watch.... Perhaps I should I just stop when he says he's an atheist as well as call him an idiot and a liar?
If you have an issue, with something that I bring up, then feel free to chime in.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
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