(July 15, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Chad32 Wrote:

(July 15, 2018 at 12:11 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Referring to the infants killed in lieu of baby Jesus as 'innocents' is heresy in that it denies their culpability in original sin.



Glad to have cleared that up for everyone.

It's going to be hard to argue that a baby is sinful, while also claiming that life is precious.

Then why is the WLB locking them up?

(July 15, 2018 at 12:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 15, 2018 at 12:16 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It's going to be hard to argue that a baby is sinful, while also claiming that life is precious.

Then why is the WLB locking them up?

He's rescuing them from the brown people.

(July 15, 2018 at 12:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 15, 2018 at 8:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The bible doesn't actually say that, but okay...

Actually, it does.

Quote:9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.

Matty 2

That reads more to me that the people of the time did not understand perspective when it comes to distance and the stars so they just kept following it until it brought them to their destination.

Remember at this time people in that area still believed in a firmament.

So much for inerrancy then, eh?  I imagine Huggy and a few others on here will insist to their dying breath that the star took the reins of the horses and led them right to the fucking manger.

I won't tar you with that brush.

(July 15, 2018 at 1:17 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: That reads more to me that the people of the time did not understand perspective when it comes to distance and the stars so they just kept following it until it brought them to their destination...

If we allow a little theological confusion and assume the wise men can walk on water, they’ll eventually wind up going in an endless circle, 30 kilometers in diameter, around the South Pole.

No one is truly innocent.

But we need to determine the level of their guilt!

(July 15, 2018 at 1:17 pm)JairCrawford Wrote:

(July 15, 2018 at 12:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Actually, it does.

That reads more to me that the people of the time did not understand perspective when it comes to distance and the stars so they just kept following it until it brought them to their destination.

Remember at this time people in that area still believed in a firmament.

Due to the Earth's rotation relative to the solar system's and galaxy's ecliptic planes, following a star (as in walking exactly in the direction of the star) does not work very well.  Over a night, you will end up walking in a semi-circle, not in a straight line.  There are two reasons for this:

1)  The star appears to move during the night because of the Earth's rotation; and

2)  The tilt of the Earth's axis (again, relative to the plane of the solar system's and the Milky Way's ecliptics) makes the star appear to change orientation when compared to any terrestrial direction.  For example, the star Sirius (often considered the Star of the Magi in the Biblical literature) will point due East but only on certain days and at certain times.  On other days and at different times it will not point due East.  And, of course, as night passes that star faces South then West.

One other point.  At no time during the year does Sirius appear directly overhead when the observer is in the Middle East (or anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere).  That only occurs at about 17º S latitude (e.g., Fiji Islands).

Astronomy 101.

(July 15, 2018 at 4:31 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(July 14, 2018 at 11:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Bullshit from the word go.

Not to mention that it comes from the same silly source as the star bouncing along the earth to shine over the nativity.  Xtians will fall for anything.

How does a star point out a specific building?

It pointed out a specific town not a building read the Bible and you can find such simple answers. The star set past the horizon where the town was. At a certain time of year i can watch the sun set exactly where the city I grew up in is. Stars do the same, this particular star was a planet in retrograde. 

GC

(July 16, 2018 at 1:43 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(July 15, 2018 at 4:31 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: How does a star point out a specific building?

It pointed out a specific town not a building read the Bible and you can find such simple answers. The star set past the horizon where the town was. At a certain time of year i can watch the sun set exactly where the city I grew up in is. Stars do the same, this particular star was a planet in retrograde. 

GC

(July 15, 2018 at 7:25 am)Chad32 Wrote: I feel like this is going to lead to him bringing the topic to abortion if I say yes......

We all know the bible doesn't really give a shit about children. They wind up dead all the time. What about it?

Children wind up dying every day because of war and starvation while the world stands by and watches. Kim kills his people violently nearly every day while the whole world watches and this could have been easily stopped before he gain nuclear weapon, it's the human race who doesn't care about children and that includes you.

GC

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(July 15, 2018 at 12:07 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(July 15, 2018 at 8:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The bible doesn't actually say that, but okay...

Actually, it does.

Quote:9 After they had heard the king, they went on their way, and the star they had seen when it rose went ahead of them until it stopped over the place where the child was.

Matty 2

 It was a planet in retrograde that's why it appeared to stop and the Bible says over the place ie, city not building.

 GC