The Catholic Church in a nutshell (an appropriate receptacle).

The Vatican Rag

Boru

(August 26, 2018 at 6:56 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The Catholic Church in a nutshell (an appropriate receptacle).

The Vatican Rag

Boru

LOVE Tom Lehrer! What a great comedian!

(August 24, 2018 at 9:50 pm)Losty Wrote: Obviously individual Catholics are not to blame,

Individual Catholics teach these tormented kids that their tormentors are divine. They are the representatives of god on earth. They are not to be questioned and certainly not to be disobeyed. In fact, to disobey your tormentor is to disobey god. Under Catholic Canon law, adherents are required to give a "religious submission of the intellect and will" to their church.
As one victim put it, the priests “are much above anybody else in your family or they are God in the flesh.”

So I say individual Catholics are to blame.

They are definitely to blame when all holy books emphasized on the leadership of the chosen ones in contrast of non-chosen leaders, and the priest office according to the dead sea scrolls were not only designated to the offspring of Aaron, but the chosen righteous pure offspring, and God gave an example of the family of Abraham that people may know the family of Aaron/Moses.

People to mix authority with chosen lights and leaders like Jesus, always, ultra-emphasize on one leader being unique or they as a people being above other people and chosen by God, when the fact is God's chosen leaders are a grace of God found in every culture, his revelations spread through the earth.

All holy books emphasize on the chosen ones in contrast to non-chosen leaders, and the latter are the anti-Christs, the one's who oppose the one that God anointed as King himself, and is the one who appoints leaders and not the people.

And were it not the fact the intention to disobey God to obey leaders from the community always is when love of those leaders are loved as much as God or even more so,  then it could be forgiven, but dark are the hearts who ignore God's teachings and obey people who God has not chosen and have no proof for their authority as if they are God's chosen leaders and equate the proofs of God with ambiguities, the clarifications with conjecture,  the knowledge with opinion, and mix everything all up.

The Catholic Church is anti-thesis of the whole Torah and the books all the way up the Gospels and definitely contradict the Gospels!

(August 26, 2018 at 10:08 am)MysticKnight Wrote: They are definitely to blame when all holy books emphasized on the leadership of the chosen ones in contrast of non-chosen leaders, and the priest office according to the dead sea scrolls were not only designated to the offspring of Aaron, but the chosen righteous pure offspring, and God gave an example of the family of Abraham that people may know the family of Aaron/Moses.

People to mix authority with chosen lights and leaders like Jesus, always, ultra-emphasize on one leader being unique or they as a people being above other people and chosen by God, when the fact is God's chosen leaders are a grace of God found in every culture, his revelations spread through the earth.

All holy books emphasize on the chosen ones in contrast to non-chosen leaders, and the latter are the anti-Christs, the one's who oppose the one that God anointed as King himself, and is the one who appoints leaders and not the people.

And were it not the fact the intention to disobey God to obey leaders from the community always is when love of those leaders are loved as much as God or even more so,  then it could be forgiven, but dark are the hearts who ignore God's teachings and obey people who God has not chosen and have no proof for their authority as if they are God's chosen leaders and equate the proofs of God with ambiguities, the clarifications with conjecture,  the knowledge with opinion, and mix everything all up.

The Catholic Church is anti-thesis of the whole Torah and the books all the way up the Gospels and definitely contradict the Gospels!

Can you at least have the humanity to set religion aside and agree that diddling children is unacceptable?

Boru

(August 24, 2018 at 9:50 pm)Losty Wrote: If you’re a member of the Catholic Church and you’re not actively speaking out against stuff like this, i think it’s fair to say you’re a part of the problem.

You are certainly entitled to think this if it makes you feel better. So long as you realize these sorts of if you're not helping you're hurting mantras serve no real purpose other than that, i.e. they make you and only you feel better. No one whom you've chosen to direct the mantra at is going to listen or care. And for sure no one is ever going to change their thinking or actions because of it. 

Seems kind of pointless to bother to even think along these lines when put into that perspective IMO.

(August 26, 2018 at 12:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 10:08 am)MysticKnight Wrote: They are definitely to blame when all holy books emphasized on the leadership of the chosen ones in contrast of non-chosen leaders, and the priest office according to the dead sea scrolls were not only designated to the offspring of Aaron, but the chosen righteous pure offspring, and God gave an example of the family of Abraham that people may know the family of Aaron/Moses.

People to mix authority with chosen lights and leaders like Jesus, always, ultra-emphasize on one leader being unique or they as a people being above other people and chosen by God, when the fact is God's chosen leaders are a grace of God found in every culture, his revelations spread through the earth.

All holy books emphasize on the chosen ones in contrast to non-chosen leaders, and the latter are the anti-Christs, the one's who oppose the one that God anointed as King himself, and is the one who appoints leaders and not the people.

And were it not the fact the intention to disobey God to obey leaders from the community always is when love of those leaders are loved as much as God or even more so,  then it could be forgiven, but dark are the hearts who ignore God's teachings and obey people who God has not chosen and have no proof for their authority as if they are God's chosen leaders and equate the proofs of God with ambiguities, the clarifications with conjecture,  the knowledge with opinion, and mix everything all up.

The Catholic Church is anti-thesis of the whole Torah and the books all the way up the Gospels and definitely contradict the Gospels!

Can you at least have the humanity to set religion aside and agree that diddling children is unacceptable?

Boru

Corruption of many kinds always happens when you hand the trust of God's leadership to people who are not chosen by God.  The generations leading to Noah all had to do with people naming themselves with name of God (ie. leadership and representing morality/value/enlightenment).

Diddling children is definitely unacceptable but there was never legitimacy in the authority of the Church in the first place.

And not only has it lead to that, but oppression of the whole world, is due to people settling to follow people blindly without proof.

Kids in Africa starving is for this exact reason. All wars are for this reason.

The solution has always been the same,  trust and follow the leaders appointed by God and disbelieve in those idolized and who people obey while disobeying God, and reject all leadership as far as the light and morality goes aside from God's anointed Kings.

Given your belief in Shia Twelver nonsense, I find all that profoundly amusing. Your bullshit doesn't smell any better, MK.

(August 26, 2018 at 1:27 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Given your belief in Shia Twelver nonsense, I find all that profoundly amusing.  Your bullshit doesn't smell any better, MK.

Instead of talking in particular, your leaders vs our leaders, sort of thing, it's better to talk about in theory what can be guidance and what cannot be. And the Bible and Quran both manifest whether the stories in the past are fiction or not, they are possible, and when showing something doesn't work, all you have to do is shown a possible error or possible norm of error, and then show a solution.

The solution is the name of God is the proof, and so only those who are his beautiful names, can nominate his names and it started from Adam and Seth was set by God, and that's how it was meant to be, a leader set by God with proof to be followed, but people equated normal people with such proofs of God and leaders from God till the corruption in Noah's days.

Religion is not meant to be some from God and some from opinion, and some truth and some falsehood, it's meant to be guidance from God in a perfect manner, and that is why leadership is the heart of the issue.

All the holy books talk about it, but it's the guided people to the true leaders who will emphasize on it.

(August 26, 2018 at 1:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 1:27 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

Given your belief in Shia Twelver nonsense, I find all that profoundly amusing.  Your bullshit doesn't smell any better, MK.

Instead of talking in particular, your leaders vs our leaders, sort of thing, it's better to talk about in theory what can be guidance and what cannot be. And the Bible and Quran both manifest whether the stories in the past are fiction or not, they are possible, and when showing something doesn't work, all you have to do is shown a possible error or possible norm of error, and then show a solution.

The solution is the name of God is the proof, and so only those who are his beautiful names, can nominate his names and it started from Adam and Seth was set by God, and that's how it was meant to be, a leader set by God with proof to be followed, but people equated normal people with such proofs of God and leaders from God till the corruption in Noah's days.

Religion is not meant to be some from God and some from opinion, and some truth and some falsehood, it's meant to be guidance from God in a perfect manner, and that is why leadership is the heart of the issue.

All the holy books talk about it, but it's the guided people to the true leaders who will emphasize on it.

Dumbledore is our one true leader, MK.  The rest are false prophets.  Harry Potter is real, and the sooner you accept that the better.  It’s not just a book. It’s not about the words in the book.  I don’t just believe what’s in the book because it says so.  That would be circular reasoning.  The book is magic. It’s different from other books. The true One and his chosen prophet Harry will open up your eyes to the magical layers of light and truth, and reveal themselves to you. You have to be open minded and willing to see though. The dark spirit of Voldemort is always trying to undermine and infiltrate your mind and heart; blocking the truth and perception from your eyes. All you have to do is look in the book and open your heart to its goodness. If you don’t accept that Harry Potter is real; if you don’t accept the proofs in these books that Dumbledore is our one true Guide, than you are either in denial, or your aren’t reading it correctly so as to understand its power.

Rebute my above argument.