Meh, who cares about all that.  His argument was and remains trash.  That's the real sin.

(September 10, 2018 at 9:06 pm)emjay Wrote:

(September 10, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Losty Wrote: I prefer plain English, I genuinely do not know what you mean. What I do know is that he was not punished by staff, we gave him an official warning. That’s it.

I don't believe he's a troll or poe, and whatever WIFOM I had about that originally, I no longer have. But I know my opinion is in the minority; first impressions are hard to change, and unfortunately his first impressions were mostly bad. And now he's paying the price for those bad first impressions even though I believe they were simply the result of him being a complete newbie to the world of online forums, both in terms of technical understanding, and etiquette. But he's improving on the technical side, and fighting an uphill struggle against the general perception of troll. So from that POV it's understandable that he feels angry and paranoid, including about the staff and the nature of punishment here. Basically he feels overwhelmed; he jumped in at the deep end of a new experience... and unfortunately floundered. That's how I see it.

He might as well be a troll, for the lack of actual discussion going on here.

(September 10, 2018 at 9:30 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Meh, who cares about all that.  His argument was and remains trash.  That's the real sin.

Well I have to reserve judgement on that, but I hope he will at some point engage you on the argument, rather than you two head-butting forever after. But whether or not the argument's any good, I just hope he can be accepted here as not a troll. So it's two separate issues for me; the argument and the person.

(September 10, 2018 at 9:06 pm)emjay Wrote:

(September 10, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Losty Wrote: I prefer plain English, I genuinely do not know what you mean. What I do know is that he was not punished by staff, we gave him an official warning. That’s it.

I don't believe he's a troll or poe, and whatever WIFOM I had about that originally, I no longer have. But I know my opinion is in the minority; first impressions are hard to change, and unfortunately his first impressions were mostly bad. And now he's paying the price for those bad first impressions even though I believe they were simply the result of him being a complete newbie to the world of online forums, both in terms of technical understanding, and etiquette. But he's improving on the technical side, and fighting an uphill struggle against the general perception of troll. So from that POV it's understandable that he feels angry and paranoid, including about the staff and the nature of punishment here. Basically he feels overwhelmed; he jumped in at the deep end of a new experience... and unfortunately floundered. That's how I see it.

When he jumped to wild accusations against me simply because I was the one who happened to deliver his warning, not to mention the rude things he’s said to me in private...I stopped caring if he’s a Poe or a troll or whatever. Maybe he’s not a troll, but he’s still ridiculous either way.

(September 10, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Losty Wrote:

(September 10, 2018 at 9:06 pm)emjay Wrote: I don't believe he's a troll or poe, and whatever WIFOM I had about that originally, I no longer have. But I know my opinion is in the minority; first impressions are hard to change, and unfortunately his first impressions were mostly bad. And now he's paying the price for those bad first impressions even though I believe they were simply the result of him being a complete newbie to the world of online forums, both in terms of technical understanding, and etiquette. But he's improving on the technical side, and fighting an uphill struggle against the general perception of troll. So from that POV it's understandable that he feels angry and paranoid, including about the staff and the nature of punishment here. Basically he feels overwhelmed; he jumped in at the deep end of a new experience... and unfortunately floundered. That's how I see it.

When he jumped to wild accusations against me simply because I was the one who happened to deliver his warning, not to mention the rude things he’s said to me in private...I stopped caring if he’s a Poe or a troll or whatever. Maybe he’s not a troll, but he’s still ridiculous either way.

Fair enough if you feel that way. But just saying I see that as the result of paranoia and confusion. Doesn't excuse it if he's been a dick to you but still maybe explains it.

Cmon now, Em..you know that commies like us aren't going to do anything other than bergeron his brilliant ass. 

(September 10, 2018 at 10:09 pm)emjay Wrote:

(September 10, 2018 at 9:58 pm)Losty Wrote: When he jumped to wild accusations against me simply because I was the one who happened to deliver his warning, not to mention the rude things he’s said to me in private...I stopped caring if he’s a Poe or a troll or whatever. Maybe he’s not a troll, but he’s still ridiculous either way.

Fair enough if you feel that way. But just saying I see that as the result of paranoia and confusion. Doesn't excuse it if he's been a dick to you but still maybe explains it.

Doesn’t mean he can’t create an intro thread and participate in the community and change my mind though

(September 10, 2018 at 10:48 pm)Losty Wrote:

(September 10, 2018 at 10:09 pm)emjay Wrote: Fair enough if you feel that way. But just saying I see that as the result of paranoia and confusion. Doesn't excuse it if he's been a dick to you but still maybe explains it.

Doesn’t mean he can’t create an intro thread and participate in the community and change my mind though

Yep, I hope he does too

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(September 10, 2018 at 10:33 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Cmon now, Em..you know that commies like us aren't going to do anything other than bergeron his brilliant ass. 

I just think there's a lot of miscommunication going on here, I may be wrong but I just don't get that superiority complex feel about him that you do (or might). Basically I don't see him as trying to preach but rather to share his ideas, and think he is here to have his ideas challenged, but you two just basically speak different languages. I mean let's face it, sometimes your writing is cryptic to me as well and I've been here a few years, so imagine a total newbie not only to the technical side of this but also the social side.

(September 10, 2018 at 9:06 pm)emjay Wrote:

(September 10, 2018 at 8:11 pm)Losty Wrote: I prefer plain English, I genuinely do not know what you mean. What I do know is that he was not punished by staff, we gave him an official warning. That’s it.

I don't believe he's a troll or poe, and whatever WIFOM I had about that originally, I no longer have. But I know my opinion is in the minority; first impressions are hard to change, and unfortunately his first impressions were mostly bad. And now he's paying the price for those bad first impressions even though I believe they were simply the result of him being a complete newbie to the world of online forums, both in terms of technical understanding, and etiquette. But he's improving on the technical side, and fighting an uphill struggle against the general perception of troll. So from that POV it's understandable that he feels angry and paranoid, including about the staff and the nature of punishment here. Basically he feels overwhelmed; he jumped in at the deep end of a new experience... and unfortunately floundered. That's how I see it.

One cannot viably employ any other language than language particularly efficient for description of the peculiar state of affairs under consideration.

Here I  employ the language of philosophical anthropology:

In the instance at hand, the state of affairs being described is the structure of the relationship between the Atheist/Agnostic Forum, and, Newbies, thus:

A PHENOMENOLOGICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC FORUM FROM THE PERSPECTIVAL VIEW OF A RECENT NEWBIE. Written and

presented in serial form, thus:

When a newbie unknowingly and unintentionally posts a ''text wall'', he has thereby, immediately poisoned the wells against himself by exhibiting a key

cardinal "troll" characteristic, as a troll is conceived by certain biases of pre-conception held by both staff and members of the forum, who, together, from

a point of departure that is the OP, proceed, with relish, to intently apply a methodology of insult, whereby a newbie, via goading, is made to appear to

be a troll, or, in the language of the outside world, a "criminal".

The Forum is a perfect microcosm of the actual world of law/jurisprudence transpiring outside of the forum.

Boru