(October 9, 2018 at 11:32 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(October 9, 2018 at 9:22 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Huggy, no one is saying that is wrong.  What Shell and I are trying to communicate to you through our personal experiences; what people have been trying and failing to get through to you throughout this thread without anyone having to talk personally about their own rapes; is that there are legitimate, justified, psychological reasons victims of sexual assault don’t report the crime to authorities.  The length of time that it takes for a victim to come forward is not related in any way to the likelihood of that person telling the truth about the assault.  Of course, to convict a man in a court of law there should be some corroborating evidence to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.  But, what we’re saying to you is, taking a long time to come forward is not evidence that contradicts an alleged assault.  “If she was really raped, she would have told someone”, is a non-sequitur.

I've never once questioned why it took the accusers so long to come forward,  it has no relevance to this case because statute of limitations is in effect. My issue is with the facts of the TRIAL which involved ONE woman and she went to the police within a year of the incident.

I don't believe anyone in this whole thread has stated  “If she was really raped, she would have told someone”.

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I believe we're in agreement for the most part, but I will address this.

(October 9, 2018 at 10:24 am)Shell B Wrote: That's a stretch. He was a goofy-ass motherfucker, if you ask me.

That's because you haven't seen a young Cosby, our introduction to Cosby was in the 80's - 90's which by that time he was in his 50's.

It’s the fact that you can sweepingly dismiss over fifty accusations as, “fake” that blows my mind, Huggy. Do you know how statistically rare false rape accusations are?  The notion that one unlucky man would get like, all of them for the entire year...lol.  ‘Astronomically improbable’ doesn’t even describe it.  That’s not a rational position.

A huge study of how rare false rape accusations in America really are has, in fact, been done recently. The results? About 5.55%. (1 in 18) A fairly small drop in the bucket compared to the number of rapes that actually do happen, even moreso when considering the many that are never reported, but hardly as astronomical as you imply. For Cosby's 60 accusers to make up that quota, there would have to be either 1080 reports nationwide or over 5,537 false accusers.

But, of course, we have several people who accused him before the Hannibal Burress routine that made the allegations went viral besides the ones in Green et al. vs. Cosby (the initial lawsuit). Janice Dickinson, who apparently wrote the incident in her autobiography, but the publisher cut it before it got published (in 2002), and years later, would make vague allegations in a Howard Stern interview.





And also Cynthia Myers, who said this in a posthumously published interview: “My stomach still turns when I see Bill Cosby in his ads sitting with a bunch of youngsters. I saw firsthand how he would use drugs to have sex with women. I never shed a tear when I heard his son was murdered on the 405. I do feel sorry for his son that he paid with his life for the sins of his father."

Cases of this magnitude where all the accusations are fake are very rare, and the only cases I can think of with anywhere near as many completely false accusations are the "Satanic Panic" Daycare trials (McMartin and the like), likely Michael Jackson, and (possibly) Jian Ghomeshi. The former had highly ambitious prosecutors brainwashing small children into testifying about ludicrously implausible crimes, and the latter was marked by so many unusual circumstances (including, but not limited to, thousands of texts between two of the accusers, and the police actively soliciting more victims) that it's damn near impossible to objectively gauge Ghomeshi's actual guilt. And also, even Michael Jackson and Jian Ghomeshi didn’t have 60 accusers.

It's theoretically possible that all sixty of these women were in on some plot that eventually took off in 2014 after a bunch of false starts, but do I really have to explain how unlikely it sounds? One accusation that turns out to be false is certainly believable. Multiple accusations push credibility. Sixty accusations, all false? Basically pimp-slapping willing suspension of disbelief.

One incident that comes to mind as making a lot more sense in the light of the accusations is this article from an AP reporter who interviewed him in 1992, at the height of his tenure as America's Dad, and he ended up talking a lot about how he didn't trust the press (even though he didn't have ANY reason to distrust them at this point, with hardly any negative press at all), and did whatever he could to control the interview. Years later, the AP reporter in question wrote about the interview. Reading that he was a serial rapist who could lose control over his family-friendly image at any moment, it makes a hell of a lot more sense.

(October 9, 2018 at 9:34 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: A huge study of how rare false rape accusations in America really are has, in fact, been done recently. The results? About 5.55%. (1 in 18) A fairly small drop in the bucket compared to the number of rapes that actually do happen, even moreso when considering the many that are never reported, but hardly as astronomical as you imply. For Cosby's 60 accusers to make up that quota, there would have to be either 1080 reports nationwide or over 5,537 false accusers.

But, of course, we have several people who accused him before the Hannibal Burress routine that made the allegations went viral besides the ones in Green et al. vs. Cosby (the initial lawsuit). Janice Dickinson, who apparently wrote the incident in her autobiography, but the publisher cut it before it got published (in 2002), and years later, would make vague allegations in a Howard Stern interview.





And also Cynthia Myers, who said this in a posthumously published interview: “My stomach still turns when I see Bill Cosby in his ads sitting with a bunch of youngsters. I saw firsthand how he would use drugs to have sex with women. I never shed a tear when I heard his son was murdered on the 405. I do feel sorry for his son that he paid with his life for the sins of his father."

Cases of this magnitude where all the accusations are fake are very rare, and the only cases I can think of with anywhere near as many completely false accusations are the "Satanic Panic" Daycare trials (McMartin and the like), and (possibly) Jian Ghomeshi. The former had highly ambitious prosecutors brainwashing small children into testifying about ludicrously implausible crimes, and the latter was marked by so many unusual circumstances (including, but not limited to, thousands of texts between two of the accusers, and the police actively soliciting more victims) that it's damn near impossible to objectively gauge Ghomeshi's actual guilt. And Ghomeshi had far fewer accusers.

It's theoretically possible that all sixty of these women were in on some plot that eventually took off in 2014 after a bunch of false starts, but do I really have to explain how unlikely it sounds? One accusation that turns out to be false is certainly believable. Multiple accusations pusch credibility. Sixty accusations, all false?

One incident that comes to mind as making a lot more sense in the light of the accusations is this article from an AP reporter who interviewed him in 1992, at the height of his tenure as America's Dad, and he ended up talking a lot about how he didn't trust the press (even though he didn't have ANY reason to distrust them at this point, with hardly any negative press at all), and did whatever he could to control the interview. Years later, the AP reporter in question wrote about the interview. Reading that he was a serial rapist who could lose control over his family-friendly image at any moment, it makes a hell of a lot more sense.

I meant, astronomical in the sense that one man would somehow be the recipient of so many false accusations.  Not that the total number of accusations in and of its self is astronomical.

Yeah, like I said, one false accusation is plausible, several is pushing credibility, and 60 (barring any real evidence to back those claims up) is basically pimp-slapping willing suspension of disbelief.

(October 9, 2018 at 10:02 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Yeah, like I said, one false accusation is plausible, several is pushing credibility, and 60 (barring any real evidence to back those claims up) is basically pimp-slapping willing suspension of disbelief.

I might have misunderstood you, and that is mostly because I am currently drinking a large volume of wine. Apologies, and forgive me! 😛

I suppose I didn't use the "pimp slapping willing suspension of disbelief" image in that previous post. That might have thrown you off after a couple glasses. Will edit accordingly.

(October 9, 2018 at 8:57 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It’s the fact that you can sweepingly dismiss over fifty accusations as, “fake” that blows my mind, Huggy. Do you know how statistically rare false rape accusations are?  The notion that one unlucky man would get like, all of them for the entire year...lol.  ‘Astronomically improbable’ doesn’t even describe it.  That’s not a rational position.

If the fifty accusations aren't backed up by evidence, then yeah.

(October 9, 2018 at 9:22 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Of course, to convict a man in a court of law there should be some corroborating evidence to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

I've been asking all along; where is the evidence? Yet no one can point to any.

You keep bringing up the 60 women but I keep having to tell you that COSBY WASN'T ON TRIAL FOR 60 WOMEN. they are irrelevant to this case. He was on trial for one woman.

Now if you were talking about 60 average everyday women, then you may have a point, but these were a bunch of Hollywood hopefuls who would do anything to make it big, why do you think a such thing as a casting couch exists if people wern't willing to do certain to be cast in movie roles.

There was a story about Michael Bay getting Megan fox to audition for a movie by washing his car in a bikini while he filmed it.

Transformers: A reminder that Megan Fox auditioned for the movie by washing Michael Bay’s car while he filmed it


All these women who never made it big see this as another way to score some cash.

You remember all the accusers Michael Jackson had? Every one of the kids confessed as adult and said that Micheal never molested them. So please, the amount of accusers means nothing when everyone involved stands to get a big payout.

(October 10, 2018 at 10:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I've been asking all along; where is the evidence? Yet no one can point to any.

Ask the lawyers. Most of us don't presume to know the details of the case better than people who were directly involved in it. If the verdict was wrong - that's what appeals are for. Why the f*ck would anyone rely on YOUR legal expertise and your wacky conspiracy theories? I guess you're the only African American smart enough to have figured it out, huh? Shame Cosby doesn't have you for a lawyer...

(October 10, 2018 at 10:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You keep bringing up the 60 women but I keep having to tell you that COSBY WASN'T ON TRIAL FOR 60 WOMEN. they are irrelevant to this case. He was on trial for one woman.

Yes, we get it. You're not saying he's not a rapist. You're saying he should have gotten away with it. Duly noted.

(October 10, 2018 at 10:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Now if you were talking about 60 average everyday women, then you may have a point, but these were a bunch of Hollywood hopefuls who would do anything to make it big, why do you think a such thing as a casting couch exists if people wern't willing to do certain to be cast in movie roles.

Yes, we get it - they are painted whores, not saintly women like your mother, so they deserved some raping...

(October 10, 2018 at 10:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: There was a story about Michael Bay getting Megan fox to audition for a movie by washing his car in a bikini while he filmed it.

All these women who never made it big see this as another way to score some cash.

Well, then - why didn't they get the cash?

(October 10, 2018 at 10:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: You remember all the accusers Michael Jackson had?

Nowhere near 60, let me reassure you. He didn't live as long as Cosby.

(October 10, 2018 at 10:53 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Every one of the kids confessed as adult and said that Micheal never molested them. So please, the amount of accusers means nothing when everyone involved stands to get a big payout.

Again - what payout? Which of those over 60 women got paid, by whom and how much? Where are you getting all that information?

(October 10, 2018 at 11:26 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Again - what payout? Which of those over 60 women got paid, by whom and how much? Where are you getting all that information?

Constand already got a 3.5 million settlement, that deposition which you guys love to bring up was from that, which was supposed to be sealed as part of the settlement. we see that got thrown out the window.

(October 10, 2018 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(October 10, 2018 at 11:26 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: Again - what payout? Which of those over 60 women got paid, by whom and how much? Where are you getting all that information?

Constand already got a 3.5 million settlement, that deposition which you guys love to bring up was from that, which was supposed to be sealed as part of the settlement. we see that got thrown out the window.

Mhmmm.... And the other 61?