(October 18, 2018 at 11:15 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 10:08 am)Rahn127 Wrote: What is it do you think I'm denying ?
What evidence are you referring to ?

It appears, that you agree, that testimony is evidence. That a person can share their first hand knowledge of their observations, and that can be used to form a justified belief. Yet you seem to be making another standard (or special pleading), where the same reasoning is not applied, and it is not evidence to be evaluated towards knowing the truth.

Except you have no eyewitnesses for your god. Or jesus.

(October 18, 2018 at 1:46 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 11:15 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It appears, that you agree, that testimony is evidence. That a person can share their first hand knowledge of their observations, and that can be used to form a justified belief. Yet you seem to be making another standard (or special pleading), where the same reasoning is not applied, and it is not evidence to be evaluated towards knowing the truth.

Except you have no eyewitnesses for your god. Or jesus.

Yup there are no eye witnesses to Jesus

(October 18, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 12:12 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I'm not going through hypotheticals.   I've been down that road before, and it leads no where.   It's actually a heads you win tails you lose type of situation, and as I said before, doesn't justify or explain any logic to validate anything.  

You are going to have to provide justification and reason for what you are saying.   

So now you're asking for more than mere testimony.
You're asking me to justify my claims.

Sounds like you're using a double standard.
Testimony is ok for some things, but other claims require more justification.

I can offer you a video of me cooking breakfast this morning. That video is justification of my first claim.

What would you need for me to provide as justification for the second claim ?
Perhaps I could make another video ?

I could walk around on the land I was born in and tell you stories about my life in the late 14th century.

Please re-read.... you are mixing two separate lines of thought.     I said specifically, that I'm not discussing your hypotheticals.

(October 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 12:39 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: So now you're asking for more than mere testimony.
You're asking me to justify my claims.

Sounds like you're using a double standard.
Testimony is ok for some things, but other claims require more justification.

I can offer you a video of me cooking breakfast this morning. That video is justification of my first claim.

What would you need for me to provide as justification for the second claim ?
Perhaps I could make another video ?

I could walk around on the land I was born in and tell you stories about my life in the late 14th century.

Please re-read.... you are mixing two separate lines of thought.     I said specifically, that I'm not discussing your hypotheticals.

These are not hypotheticals.
I did cook my breakfast this morning and I am 640 years old.

You have my testimony.
Don't you believe me ?

Why do you deny this ?
I have given you testimonial evidence.

Isn't that enough ?

(October 18, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 1:57 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Please re-read.... you are mixing two separate lines of thought.     I said specifically, that I'm not discussing your hypotheticals.

These are not hypotheticals.
I did cook my breakfast this morning and I am 640 years old.

You have my testimony.
Don't you believe me ?

Why do you deny this ?
I have given you testimonial evidence.

Isn't that enough ?

Sorry,   You are going to have to discuss the reasoning behind what you are trying to say.   You should also re-read what I have said about corroborating evidence.  Discuss your reasoning first, and then we can test it.

(October 18, 2018 at 2:16 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You should also re-read what I have said about corroborating evidence. 

You keep on doing this. Pretending that you have evidence which you have presented.

But you have presented none. Ever. That qualifies your claims as lies.

(October 18, 2018 at 2:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 2:16 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You should also re-read what I have said about corroborating evidence. 

You keep on doing this. Pretending that you have evidence which you have presented.

But you have presented none. Ever. That qualifies your claims as lies.

That would be correct, but only shows, that you are not understanding the conversation and what is being discussed.

(October 18, 2018 at 2:16 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 2:01 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: These are not hypotheticals.
I did cook my breakfast this morning and I am 640 years old.

You have my testimony.
Don't you believe me ?

Why do you deny this ?
I have given you testimonial evidence.

Isn't that enough ?

Sorry,   You are going to have to discuss the reasoning behind what you are trying to say.   You should also re-read what I have said about corroborating evidence.  Discuss your reasoning first, and then we can test it.

It's not enough is it.
You require something more than my mere testimony.
Why ?

Is it because it's an extraordinary claim .
I claim to be 640 years old and you find it unbelievable because of the simple well known fact that human beings don't live that long.

You need evidence of this claim, but more than that you won't even entertain the idea of discussing because you consider it hypothetical.

According to your own standards, your entire religion is hypothetical.

My reasons for asking these questions are to get you to understand that all claims are not the same. You must present evidence that is equal in nature to the claim being presented.

This whole thread is about presenting evidence for a god.

We can't rely on testimony for such a claim.
We need something more.

Don't you agree ?

(October 18, 2018 at 2:28 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 18, 2018 at 2:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You keep on doing this. Pretending that you have evidence which you have presented.

But you have presented none. Ever. That qualifies your claims as lies.

That would be correct, but only shows, that you are not understanding the conversation and what is being discussed.

What, you admit you are a liar?

OK.