In the 14 -15 responses you've had with me in this thread, I don't believe I've glossed over any point you've made. Definitely not intentionally.
Here's what you've said :
1. indicated your opinion that a sympathizers coalition with the intolerant was broadly and globally destructive, not constructive.
2. extremist that are intolerant shouldn't be allowed to steer policy decisions
3. We should not tolerate intolerance
4. I'm mis-defining tolerance as right wing ipso facto tolerance
5. I'm mis-defining reverse racism as racism
6. I'm single minded and implied I'm not open to other trains of thought
7. The sjw side is right, and bitching about the means used to achieve a greater equality has always been the refuge of those seeking to oppose it.
8. Affirmative action isn't discrimination

Does that categorize it well enough? Doesn't really seem like you're talking to my points. I don't really have a script I'm following but you haven't really invested enough in the conversation to give me another train of thought to contemplate.

So I agree with 1,2 . Clarified 3,4,5 and 8. I disagree with 6 and 7 and you didn't support them, so I have nothing to rebut. I've tried talking to your points and I value your opinion, even when we differ. I think it's a little disingenuous to imply I'm not trying to see your side of it though.

(December 19, 2018 at 4:36 am)Grandizer Wrote:

(December 18, 2018 at 11:55 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Of course it means that.  If not, you'd just have the rule I suggested-- that the students with the best scores are accepted to the best schools.

The problem is that the best scores don't generally mean most qualified, rather best scores often mean the most privileged in a lot of cases. That's what affirmative action is trying to address, and that's the kind of problem you keep denying because of your racial bias in favor of white people. You don't seem to like that black people have to overcome obstacles (that white people don't typically get to face) in order to be just as successful as white people.

I've literally mentioned all of this, right here, in this very thread. If you can enumerate the obstacles someone has to overcome (for example, if they've been working 5 hours a day in McDonald's to help support a family, even in high school), then I'd support that. If you want to give a little boost to kids from single-parent families, or from schools where the average IQ of teachers is low, or whatever, I'm okay with that.

But there are rich black kids, too. The Obama kids are doing okay, for example: news flash, Malia's going to Harvard. I suspect they have relatively few obstacles to college approval. But they are in fact black, and they will count toward Yale or MIT's quota, if the quota is based only on racial identity. I don't think either one of us thinks Malia needs a special scholarship.

As for my racial bias in favor of white people-- then I suppose you'd have to say I'm even MORE biased toward Asians or Ashkenazy Jews, since as a demographic, their IQs, test scores and grades are better. You and Khem are never going to be able to comprehend this, but my interest is 100% in getting the best academic minds into the best places for training minds. If that means 100% of MIT students are Asian, then I'm fine with that.

Force-feeding people into the system by fiat is a particularly poor replacement for addressing those clusterfuck correlations: IQ and SAT performance, single parentage, crime, incarceration and drug-use rates in parents, lack of daycare, low IQ and academic achievement of teachers in schools, bad health care, and so on.

(December 19, 2018 at 6:00 pm)tackattack Wrote: 8. Affirmative action isn't discrimination

This would be the only point I was referring to when I commented on what gets glossed over.  Explained to you better by another poster than myself. 

It simply has to in order to maintain the well trained insistence of the recognizable Not A Script™. I think that this nonsense is like pollen..it gets on you..you don't know where it came from..you don't even know that it's on you. You sit down and it gets on something else. Happens to everyone, none of us are particularly good at noticing it.

Here's something to consider. There hasn't been any issue raised in this thread that wasn't completely expected from page one..post one. I can shortcut to the end for you. You don't value my opinion here. You will argue against my opinion with every fiber of your being. You will feel maligned by my opinion, you will reject my opinion. My opinion is simple..you've either gotten yourself covered in pollen, somehow..or you're a racist flower just beginning to bloom, lol.

There's no sense in bickering over the minutiae.

(December 19, 2018 at 8:20 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(December 19, 2018 at 6:00 pm)tackattack Wrote: 8. Affirmative action isn't discrimination

This would be the only point I was referring to when I commented on what gets glossed over.  Explained to you better by another poster than myself. 

It simply has to in order to maintain the well trained insistence of the recognizable Not A Script™.  I think that this nonsense is like pollen..it gets on you..you don't know where it came from..you don't even know that it's on you.  You sit down and it gets on something else.  Happens to everyone, none of us are particularly good at noticing it.

Here's something to consider.  There hasn't been any issue raised in this thread that wasn't completely expected from page one..post one.  I can shortcut to the end for you.  You don't value my opinion here.  You will argue against my opinion with every fiber of your being.  You will feel maligned by my opinion, you will reject my opinion.  My opinion is simple..you've either gotten yourself covered in pollen, somehow..or you're a racist flower just beginning to bloom, lol.

There's no sense in bickering over the minutiae.

Translation: "Your unwillingness to embrace my flavor of racism is racist."

Ya know-- if you want to minimize racism, maybe stop defining society in terms of racial demographic groups. If only there was some way to define the rights of individual citizens, like by law or something, and if only there was something about poor, uneducated black people that you could focus on more than the "black". . .

Oh wait. . .

(December 20, 2018 at 4:37 am)bennyboy Wrote:

(December 19, 2018 at 8:20 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: This would be the only point I was referring to when I commented on what gets glossed over.  Explained to you better by another poster than myself. 

It simply has to in order to maintain the well trained insistence of the recognizable Not A Script™.  I think that this nonsense is like pollen..it gets on you..you don't know where it came from..you don't even know that it's on you.  You sit down and it gets on something else.  Happens to everyone, none of us are particularly good at noticing it.

Here's something to consider.  There hasn't been any issue raised in this thread that wasn't completely expected from page one..post one.  I can shortcut to the end for you.  You don't value my opinion here.  You will argue against my opinion with every fiber of your being.  You will feel maligned by my opinion, you will reject my opinion.  My opinion is simple..you've either gotten yourself covered in pollen, somehow..or you're a racist flower just beginning to bloom, lol.

There's no sense in bickering over the minutiae.

Translation: "Your unwillingness to embrace my flavor of racism is racist."

Ya know-- if you want to minimize racism, maybe stop defining society in terms of racial demographic groups.  If only there was some way to define the rights of individual citizens, like by law or something, and if only there was something about poor, uneducated black people that you could focus on more than the "black". . .

Oh wait. . .

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(December 20, 2018 at 9:19 am)tackattack Wrote: Privilege shouldn't invalidate your perspective. 

It doesn't, but this statement and everything that followed is simply an expression of how you feel victimized.  It's not because you're privileged that I have no patience for this sort of shit. It's because you're simply wrong.

Like I said..there's no sense in bickering over the minutiae.  I've come to the conclusion that the extra life breathed into these complaints that stretch back to the 60's is just another way that the internet ratfucked us. It wasn't even intentional, which is either hilarious or tragic.....though there may be no real difference between the two in the end, lol.

I'm beginning to think "SJW" is the new Godwin award winner. The minute somebody makes what SJWs think or do a part of their argument, any useful discussion is pretty much over.

Pretty much.  Couple years back there was a massive sub and view war over the subject.  Skeptic channels were particularly hard hit, a match made in heaven...granting perfect cover for an introductory view of modern white supremacy.

In all honesty, the past two decades have seen an impressive case example in base building, as white supremacist memes and ideology had, up until that point.........been static for nearly sixty years.

(December 20, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: I'm beginning to think "SJW" is the new Godwin award winner.  The minute somebody makes what SJWs think or do a part of their argument, any useful discussion is pretty much over.

It's a word without meaning now

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(December 20, 2018 at 11:00 am)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(December 20, 2018 at 4:37 am)bennyboy Wrote: Translation: "Your unwillingness to embrace my flavor of racism is racist."

Ya know-- if you want to minimize racism, maybe stop defining society in terms of racial demographic groups.  If only there was some way to define the rights of individual citizens, like by law or something, and if only there was something about poor, uneducated black people that you could focus on more than the "black". . .

Oh wait. . .

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(December 20, 2018 at 9:19 am)tackattack Wrote: Privilege shouldn't invalidate your perspective. 

It doesn't, but this statement and everything that followed is simply an expression of how you feel victimized.  It's not because you're privileged that I have no patience for this sort of shit.  It's because you're simply wrong.

Like I said..there's no sense in bickering over the minutiae.  I've come to the conclusion that the extra life breathed into these complaints that stretch back to the 60's is just another way that the internet ratfucked us.  It wasn't even intentional, which is either hilarious or tragic.....though there may be no real difference between the two in the end, lol.

So Benny's idea of getting rid of racism is to deny demographics exist and are treated differently