(December 30, 2018 at 9:09 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 9:00 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: Come down to our local hospital. Visit the children's cancer care ward, look at the parents anguish, turn on the news see all the starving children.

Do it, and tell me that God exists.

Missionaries and church groups helping the sick and needy.  What are the atheists doing?  Mostly complaining, whining, and protesting.  The sad part is that you think you have to use the sick and needy to push your agenda, yet many of those patients believe in God.

I'm not pushing an agenda... Just pointing out that the "look around you" argument for a God is ridiculous.

Still no pics of a supernatural stick?  
Should be easy to provide simple pics of a supernatural stick, if one had one.
After all i am not demanding pics, just think it would be awesome if someone had a few pics.
Well, maybe after page 80......or 1100.  Ill wait here, just out of curiosity, not because i demand anything of course.

(December 30, 2018 at 8:28 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 7:55 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: @ T0 Th3 M4X :

Which tells me that you don't actually have any legitimate evidence for the existence of God and you're just messing with us. I'm not wasting my time with you. Case closed.

Nope.  It tells me you don't have any evidence on the contrary.  Don't waste your time with me.  I didn't invite you.  You invited yourself.  Case closed.

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(December 30, 2018 at 6:25 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Please define the supernatural. 
At the moment it seems to me like it is the excuse to why you don't have evidence, and that's all.

You're working off assumptions.  Not interested.

I don't have to give evidence, but I offered to consider it based on what would be considered objective evidence.  Do we really have to go through this again?

So you have nothing. that's what I thought.

(December 30, 2018 at 11:29 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Still no pics of a supernatural stick?  
Should be easy to provide simple pics of a supernatural stick, if one had one.
After all i am not demanding pics, just think it would be awesome if someone had a few pics.
Well, maybe after page 80......or 1100.  Ill wait here, just out of curiosity, not because i demand anything of course.

I never said I had one.  I don't even know what qualifies as a "supernatural stick."

The request wasn't reasonable in and of itself.

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(December 30, 2018 at 10:34 am)Natachan Wrote: OMG did someone actually do the “look at the trees” shtick? Ha!

Look, first you need to provide a coherent definition for your god. You need to define properties that would be verifiable and falsifiable. You would then need to point to things in the real world that are exclusively indicative of this thing. So far religion has done this. None.

I don't need to do anything. 

Your statement about religion is presumptive.  No reason to accept it as being factual.  I'm guessing you pulled your conclusion out of your behind, but I can't say I know for sure, so as such my presumption holds no value like your presumption.

My conclusion?

I’m not making any claims. I’m not asking that you accept the existence of a thing. Theists are asking me to believe that a thing exists. I am asking them to prove that the thing exists. They have proposed the thing, it is up to them to prove it. So first they have to define the thing in a coherent way, and then provide a reason to believe them. Until then i am fully justified in dismissing their claim.

(December 30, 2018 at 12:11 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 8:28 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Nope.  It tells me you don't have any evidence on the contrary.  Don't waste your time with me.  I didn't invite you.  You invited yourself.  Case closed.

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You're working off assumptions.  Not interested.

I don't have to give evidence, but I offered to consider it based on what would be considered objective evidence.  Do we really have to go through this again?

So you have nothing. that's what I thought.

Of course that's what you thought.  I could've told you that's what you thought before you even said so, but had no reason to.  Still, it's irrelevant in the context of this discussion.  Just another atheist dodging the question.  That's nothing new.

(December 30, 2018 at 3:12 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I never said I had one.  I don't even know what qualifies as a "supernatural stick."

Is it the thing that turns to a snake when you throw it on the ground? Even Pharaoh's peeps have those things. Apparently, they're nothing special. (On a side note: wasn't it a dick move on God's part to send Moses in there with a lame gag like that?)

Seriously though, Max. Even assuming that God exists, there really isn't much in the way of convincing evidence. I think it is reasonable for people to believe based on a personal mystical experience (though other people's experiences can hardly convince me, since I think there are alternate explanations for the source of their mystical visions).

You guys are gonna have to go with the whole "take it on faith" thing. You have nothing in the way of evidence.

If there were compelling evidence for God, people who are convinced by compelling evidence would be convinced of God's existence. They are not. It seems that most theists hold their beliefs due to things other than evidence. They were raised that way.-- Religion gives their life structure.-- Existential despair.-- Social pressures.-- and last but not least: credulity.

As I said before: if you think God exists, fine. You may be right. But even if you are right, you've got to admit, there's very little in the way of evidence.

(December 30, 2018 at 3:23 pm)Natachan Wrote: My conclusion?

I’m not making any claims. I’m not asking that you accept the existence of a thing. Theists are asking me to believe that a thing exists. I am asking them to prove that the thing exists. They have proposed the thing, it is up to them to prove it. So first they have to define the thing in a coherent way, and then provide a reason to believe them. Until then i am fully justified in dismissing their claim.

Well dismiss their claim then.  I don't think anybody is trying to control your mind, nor can they.

I simply threw out an offer.  Beyond that, it doesn't assert, claim, or suggest someone should believe or adhere to anything.  Additionally, the offer doesn't suggest I have whatever evidence the OP would need, and would depend on what they are requesting.  If someone says I would need to show "Noah's Ark", then obviously I can't show that, even if it was buried under the ground somewhere.

Well good on you for being so accepting of my wanting to be left alone. Unfortunately we don’t live in a vacuum, and not everyone is like that.

The title and subject of the tread is evidence for god. Meaning this is a call for theists, who again are claiming a thing exists, to define the thing and then make the case for it.

I happen to live in the US, and in a particularly religious part of the US. I mentioned in another thread that I have been threatened, physically assaulted, and harassed by cops because I am an “out” atheist. I don’t go up to people, but I have the gall to wear atheist t-shirts and have a Darwin fish on my car. Clearly there is pressure in our society to believe that the thing exists.

In addition I like to believe things that happen to be true. So if I’m wrong, I want to know. So if there are people saying thing x exists, and it actually does exist, I want to know that. But I’m not going to believe it for no reason. I need a definition and I need some reason to believe in this thing. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.