(December 30, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Angelina Wrote: Isn't everything that exists really evidence for God? Do you think the necessary chemicals and other building blocks of the universe could have just materialized out of thin air on their own? If so, how do you justify this belief?

Who believes they appeared out of thin air ?
What leads you to believe a god is behind it all ?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:11 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Angelina Wrote: Isn't everything that exists really evidence for God? Do you think the necessary chemicals and other building blocks of the universe could have just materialized out of thin air on their own? If so, how do you justify this belief?

Who believes they appeared out of thin air ?
What leads you to believe a god is behind it all ?

An all knowing God certainly make more sense than nothing. How do you believe things exist?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:18 pm)Angelina Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 10:11 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Who believes they appeared out of thin air ?
What leads you to believe a god is behind it all ?

An all knowing God certainly make more sense than nothing. How do you believe things exist?

Who says it was nothing, and again who says everything appeared out of thin air ?
Do you have any reason to believe the alternative to god is nothing ?
What reason do you have to believe in a god ?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:20 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 10:18 pm)Angelina Wrote: An all knowing God certainly make more sense than nothing. How do you believe things exist?

Who says it was nothing, and again who says everything appeared out of thin air ?
Do you have any reason to believe the alternative to god is nothing ?
What reason do you have to believe in a god ?

If not God, then what? If not nothing, then what is the something?
God has become clear to me through my experiences being born again and filled with the holy spirit.

(December 30, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Angelina Wrote: [quote='possibletarian' pid='1873646' dateline='1546222850']

Who says it was nothing, and again who says everything appeared out of thin air ?
Do you have any reason to believe the alternative to god is nothing ?
What reason do you have to believe in a god ?

Quote:If not God, then what? If not nothing, then what is the something?

We don't know, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that 'no thing' ever was possible (unless you have a reason), and there is certainly no reason to add a god (of a particular religions choice). Generally when people refer to 'from nothing' they mean pre-universe.
Have a read of this article (follow the links too)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/2014110...ist-at-all

Quote:God has become clear to me through my experiences being born again and filled with the holy spirit.

Feelings and experiences can get you to any god of any religion, or for that matter any belief (supernaturally based or otherwise) that you call it god or the holy spirit is simply down to your indoctrination, unless of course you have proof otherwise ?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:20 pm)possibletarian Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 10:33 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Who says it was nothing, and again who says everything appeared out of thin air ?
Do you have any reason to believe the alternative to god is nothing ?
What reason do you have to believe in a god ?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Angelina Wrote: If not God, then what? If not nothing, then what is the something?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:20 pm)possibletarian Wrote: We don't know, but there is absolutely no reason to believe that 'no thing' ever was possible (unless you have a reason), and there is certainly no reason to add a god (of a particular religions choice)

(December 30, 2018 at 10:24 pm)Angelina Wrote: God has become clear to me through my experiences being born again and filled with the holy spirit.

(December 30, 2018 at 10:20 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Feelings and experiences can get you to any god of any religion, or for that matter any belief (supernaturally based or otherwise) that you call it god or the holy spirit is simply down to your indoctrination, unless of course you have proof otherwise ?

If you don't know, why are you completely dismissing the possibility of an All knowing creator?


Isn't your statement that feelings and experiences can get you to God no matter where you live proof of God's existence right there?

All religions may contain some truths and God certainly does exist, but Jesus was the one true messenger of God, sent to teach us the right way to live and this is demonstrated by the good works of Christians worldwide.

“If you don't know, why are you completely dismissing the possibility of an All knowing creator?”

Most of us don’t believe this is a possibility. The possibility of such a thing must be demonstrated. And it has not yet been.

“Isn't your statement that feelings and experiences can get you to God no matter where you live proof of God's existence right there?”

Feelings and experiences can get a person to any deity that they are predisposed to believe in. There are people who claim to have personal experiences with Baast the cat goddess. There are people who claim to have personal experiences of Hanuman the monkey god. And there are people who claim to have personal experiences with inter dimensional space travelers. There is no way to tell whose experiences are valid, if any are. It is far more likely they are all mistaken. And as we cannot verify the experiences this must be the conclusion.

Religions are often mutually exclusive, so saying each contains a nugget of truth is ridiculous. Especially when none can be verified in any way.

(December 30, 2018 at 11:03 pm)Natachan Wrote: “If you don't know, why are you completely dismissing the possibility of an All knowing creator?”

Most of us don’t believe this is a possibility. The possibility of such a thing must be demonstrated. And it has not yet been.

“Isn't your statement that feelings and experiences can get you to God no matter where you live proof of God's existence right there?”

Feelings and experiences can get a person to any deity that they are predisposed to believe in. There are people who claim to have personal experiences with Baast the cat goddess. There are people who claim to have personal experiences of Hanuman the monkey god. And there are people who claim to have personal experiences with inter dimensional space travelers. There is no way to tell whose experiences are valid, if any are. It is far more likely they are all mistaken. And as we cannot verify the experiences this must be the conclusion.

Religions are often mutually exclusive, so saying each contains a nugget of truth is ridiculous. Especially when none can be verified in any way.

But how is it possible that we are self aware humans with brains and love for each other etc, if there is nothing else like us anywhere in billions of galaxies and maybe multiple universes? 

Why would we be unique and more importantly how would we be unique in those ways? Why would we be able to even have any experiences, if there were not some enabler of those experiences?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:04 pm)Angelina Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 9:07 pm)Rahn127 Wrote: I believe I exist.

My evidence for my own existence is as follows.
I can see myself. I can feel myself.
My body has mass. I can weigh it.
I can displace water in a tub.
I reflect light. Other people can see me, can feel me.
There is a long list that I won't get into.

I believe my phone exists.
I can offer similar evidence for why I believe it exists.

I don't provide arguments to help prove that my phone exists. I provide my phone to prove it exists.

Does anyone have any tangible proof that a god exists ?

At the most basic level, our sun is a source of heat & light that appears each day in our lives. It is circular in appearance and at times can be blocked by the moon.

This is how people might have described the attributes of the sun many thousands of years ago.
They had no idea what it was made of or what happened within it on an atomic level or how much gravity it asserted on our planet.

They only knew a couple basic attributes, but those attributes allowed us to detect it's existence, even if we only knew .001% about it.

When it comes to a god, we know nothing.

A god could present itself in a godly human looking form for all to see. It could give off light that we could see. I could manafest in reality so that we would know it existed.

Well it could, if it really existed.
I don't believe it does.

In one of my hands I have an extremely small universe that contains a god.
In the other hand I have an extremely small universe that doesn't contain a god.

Can you determine which is which ?

To conclude.
Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?

Isn't everything that exists really evidence for God? Do you think the necessary chemicals and other building blocks of the universe could have just materialized out of thin air on their own? If so, how do you justify this belief?

A pot of gold is not evidence that leprechauns exist.
Flowers are not evidence that fairies exist.

Everything that exists is evidence of existence.

The energy of the universe didn't pop out of thin air.
When we observe the universe, we take measurements.
We have observed and noted some very consistent physical laws concerning matter and it's relationship with energy.

We have discovered forces that act upon matter and energy. We have the Gravitational Force, Weak Nuclear Force, Electromagnetic Force, Strong Nuclear Force.

A few physics classes can help you understand these better.

We have laws of motion that help to describe how bodies of matter interact with each other.

Our universe exists and we can explain to the best of our ability how planets & stars form through gravity and how life evolves through evolution.

We have some very exciting experiments that give us a good idea about how organic life can emerge from non organic chemicals, but as of yet we don't have the full picture. In time we will.

We justify all of our beliefs with evidence.

Do you have any evidence that a god exists ?

(December 30, 2018 at 10:52 pm)Angelina Wrote: If you don't know, why are you completely dismissing the possibility of an All knowing creator?

I'm waiting for credible evidence, do you have any?
I assure you if you produce proofs and evidence of such a mighty powerful, all knowing, all loving, all seeing creator, who has declared his love for mankind and wants all men to be saved then I will believe.

Quote:Isn't your statement that feelings and experiences can get you to God no matter where you live proof of God's existence right there?

No you are being disingenuous, in any reasonable discussion (knowing I was an unbeliever) you would have translated being able to get to any god or belief as a matter of belief in a god only, which remains unproven.

Quote:All religions may contain some truths and God certainly does exist,

This is nothing more than a statement of belief without proof.

Quote:but Jesus was the one true messenger of God,

Not Mohammed for instance then? Again this is a simply a statement of belief only, unless you have more ?

Quote: sent to teach us the right way to live and this is demonstrated by the good works of Christians worldwide.

I wouldn't be quoting the 'good works' of Christians worldwide in the current climate, looking at history for every good work you claim I can produce evidence of the opposite, for sure some people have done good things, but it's not christian only, in fact far from it the majority of the world are not christians, and most the good works of charity I see are carried out by non christians.

again you are simply making statements.