(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - You don't need to shine your shoes.  You just put some care in it, like you would with meeting a girl.  The shining shoes bit was just some extra "fluff" if you will.

And there's your problem. You are all fluff and no substance.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - You could know she exists, but maybe you don't.  If you're a single dude looking for a babe, you're probably not going to go to the party in a oil stained shirt and unbrushed teeth.  I agree it's a little different, but if your approach is negative, then you'll probably get negativity back.  I'm not suggesting that is proof, but it'she deep end how you get there.

Irrelevant and kind of says more about you than anything else.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - I don't know that the deity is a reflection.  If I'm honest with myself, I don't often meet the standards I should, but it's me who is the problem. 

No it isn't. If you are imperfect it is because your god intentionally created you that way. What a dick.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I can be hardheaded and lack empathy sometimes. But a lot of times I do get things right with my attitude and behavior.  A lot of those "right" things are based on my belief in God.

Started out kinda right, but then went off the deep end.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - I don't know that scales are necessary to determine a relationship with someone or even knowing them just because.  Back to the girl, does she have to be a "10" or do you even have to assume a value to her?  Is she perfect to you even when she makes mistakes?  If you're like me, that's part of what makes her perfect.  She's not you, but you still have something in common.  Sometimes it's the randomness of the experiences.  I don't need to measure those things.   What I do need to do is embrace them, but then again, that's me.  As an individual, I don't put myself in a position to try to put God on a scale and rate.  I also don't believe I have the authority to do such.  Of course, we all see life differently.  When we're old and grey, hopefully we can put all the pieces together and be happy with the result.

How shallow.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - You don't need to shine your shoes.  You just put some care in it, like you would with meeting a girl.  The shining shoes bit was just some extra "fluff" if you will.

And there's your problem. You are all fluff and no substance.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - You could know she exists, but maybe you don't.  If you're a single dude looking for a babe, you're probably not going to go to the party in a oil stained shirt and unbrushed teeth.  I agree it's a little different, but if your approach is negative, then you'll probably get negativity back.  I'm not suggesting that is proof, but it'she deep end how you get there.

Irrelevant and kind of says more about you than anything else.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - I don't know that the deity is a reflection.  If I'm honest with myself, I don't often meet the standards I should, but it's me who is the problem. 

No it isn't. If you are imperfect it is because your god intentionally created you that way. What a dick.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I can be hardheaded and lack empathy sometimes. But a lot of times I do get things right with my attitude and behavior.  A lot of those "right" things are based on my belief in God.

Started out kinda right, but then went off the deep end.

(December 31, 2018 at 7:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: - I don't know that scales are necessary to determine a relationship with someone or even knowing them just because.  Back to the girl, does she have to be a "10" or do you even have to assume a value to her?  Is she perfect to you even when she makes mistakes?  If you're like me, that's part of what makes her perfect.  She's not you, but you still have something in common.  Sometimes it's the randomness of the experiences.  I don't need to measure those things.   What I do need to do is embrace them, but then again, that's me.  As an individual, I don't put myself in a position to try to put God on a scale and rate.  I also don't believe I have the authority to do such.  Of course, we all see life differently.  When we're old and grey, hopefully we can put all the pieces together and be happy with the result.

How shallow.

You're looking for arguments, which is why you find arguments.

(December 31, 2018 at 12:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(December 30, 2018 at 11:58 pm)Angelina Wrote: Christians are doing more good in the world than any other group of people who has ever existed, and by a lot.

Really? Even more good than Muslims? Are Christians better as people than Muslims?

Only God can be the judge of who is really good, but I believe God sent us Jesus as our very best teacher. Islam is just copy cat religion, and Christians are doing much more good in the world from what I can see, and unless you can provide research that shows anything to the contrary, I am sticking with that. We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:13 pm)Angelina Wrote: [quote='possibletarian' pid='1873877' dateline='1546292032']

Did you read it, ? I suspect you simply read the title from that reply, it does fit very well with what we know about the universe.

Now this is very important.. How can i tell the difference between faith and no god at all ?

Quote:I did, but what I am having a hard time understanding is how can you accept that as your explanation for the existence of life and everything else that exists on this planet.

Simple, it fits the universe as we see it, for sure there is more to know, more to learn. It is one of many plausible explanations that fit the world as we see it.

Quote:There is evidence of something with a greater mind than human practically everywhere you look,

Really why would you assume that ?

Quote:and then there is the fact of life itself. I guess the difference between us is that I see the absolute necessity for God everywhere I look,

Oh, I understand what you believe I'm not questioning that you believe it, I'm just wondering why.

Quote:and you see something you believe can just happen randomly out of the blue.

What do you mean by 'out of the blue' , couldn't the big bang simply have been a stage in a process already happening ?

I see lots of events taking place one after another, no one believes the universe simply appeared as it is, outside of theistic belief. As I understand it the universe is continually changing, and there is heaps of evidence to show that, humans are changing too as has been evidenced by the past, we likely shall not be the same in a million years, and may even look very different.

In about 5 billion years (just a little longer than the earth has already existed) our sun will destroy it, that's if we don't get wiped out by disease, asteroid hit or some other disaster before then. The earth has been very hostile to life in the past and present and will likely be in the future, hardly the works of a perfect god.

Quote:I have a hard time wrapping my mind around what you believe, and how you are able to believe it.

It's simple, follow the evidence (like evolution) as see where it leads you, don't pre-suppose a deity

(December 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Angelina Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 12:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really? Even more good than Muslims? Are Christians better as people than Muslims?

Only God can be the judge of who is really good, but I believe God sent us Jesus as our very best teacher. Islam is just copy cat religion, and Christians are doing much more good in the world from what I can see, and unless you can provide research that shows anything to the contrary, I am sticking with that. We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

Angelina,

You are Ignorance on Parade. Go out to the Google Play Store or iTunes and download "Audible". Setup your free account in minutes and then do a search on "The Great Courses". Download your first course for free and one per month for $14.95. I would suggest starting with the New Testament course by Professor Bart Ehrman. You might want to move on to the "Big Bang and the Rise of Humanity" class after that. Also, the book "Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity plus God equal folly" will help you understand some issues in cosmology that you seem to be struggling with.

Best,

Dawn

(December 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Angelina Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 12:13 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Really? Even more good than Muslims? Are Christians better as people than Muslims?

Only God can be the judge of who is really good, but I believe God sent us Jesus as our very best teacher. Islam is just copy cat religion, and Christians are doing much more good in the world from what I can see, and unless you can provide research that shows anything to the contrary, I am sticking with that. We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

No one is doubting that some christians do good things, the scepticism comes from your comment that christianity has done the world a big favour.

For instance, lets take aside all the instances of child abuse, wars, crusades, slave owning, money hoarding..etc. (we can come back to those) and just lets concentrate on one you made a big point of .. hunger. If christians truly believed they should give to the poor, and that god would bless them in return, then why are thousands of your brothers and sister starving to death in some of these countries ?

Remember these claims are the mainstay of your religion, and central to the teachings of the one you call christ.

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(December 31, 2018 at 8:49 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 8:31 pm)Angelina Wrote: Only God can be the judge of who is really good, but I believe God sent us Jesus as our very best teacher. Islam is just copy cat religion, and Christians are doing much more good in the world from what I can see, and unless you can provide research that shows anything to the contrary, I am sticking with that. We have cut the starvation problem in the world more than in half. We shelter and feed homeless people, give free counseling to people who are grieving loved ones, give aid to needy families, fund programs that bring clean drinking water and medical assistance to those in need, help people get off drugs and start their lives over again, and the list just goes on and on.

Angelina,

You are Ignorance on Parade.  Go out to the Google Play Store or iTunes and download "Audible".  Setup your free account in minutes and then do a search on "The Great Courses".  Download your first course for free and one per month for $14.95.  I would suggest starting with the New Testament course by Professor Bart Ehrman.  You might want to move on to the "Big Bang and the Rise of Humanity" class after that.  Also, the book "Dot, Dot, Dot...Infinity plus God equal folly" will help you understand some issues in cosmology that you seem to be struggling with.

Best,

Dawn

I also recommend ''How Jesus became god'' by Bart Ehrman.

(December 31, 2018 at 12:01 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Put up or shut up. Not going to go round-n-round with you too.

That settles it then. You've got nothing.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:28 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 8:21 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: And there's your problem. You are all fluff and no substance.

Irrelevant and kind of says more about you than anything else.

No it isn't. If you are imperfect it is because your god intentionally created you that way. What a dick.

Started out kinda right, but then went off the deep end.
How shallow.

You're looking for arguments, which is why you find arguments.

How intellectually vacant. Yet more fluff and no substance.

(December 31, 2018 at 8:52 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 12:01 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Put up or shut up.  Not going to go round-n-round with you too.

That settles it then. You've got nothing.

As I said, put up or shut up.  You keep yappin, yet you've managed to back none of your words.  Tis boring.  Really, all you do is bounce around these forums telling people they are wrong, yet you fail to contribute an original thought.

(December 31, 2018 at 9:16 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(December 31, 2018 at 8:52 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote: That settles it then. You've got nothing.

As I said, put up or shut up.  You keep yappin, yet you've managed to back none of your words.  Tis boring.  Really, all you do is bounce around these forums telling people they are wrong, yet you fail to contribute an original thought.

What do you want us to disprove? That a race of talking donkeys on a planet in orbit about Proxima Centauri do not exist?