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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 6:04 am
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(January 5, 2019 at 3:34 am)Angelina Wrote: Because if God created the universe, that means God created everything in the universe.
No it doesn't. Do you accept the fact that evolution accounts for all of the diversity of life on this earth? Evolution explains where we as a species came from, and all the pretty flowers that you see. The universe existed for a long time before we came along to invent a God as a cause for it.
So to be clear... Even if a God (whatever that is) created the universe, it makes no sense to credit that God with all that exists now.
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 6:55 am
(January 6, 2019 at 6:04 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: (January 5, 2019 at 3:34 am)Angelina Wrote: Because if God created the universe, that means God created everything in the universe.
No it doesn't. Do you accept the fact that evolution accounts for all of the diversity of life on this earth? Evolution explains where we as a species came from, and all the pretty flowers that you see. The universe existed for a long time before we came along to invent a God as a cause for it.
So to be clear... Even if a God (whatever that is) created the universe, it makes no sense to credit that God with all that exists now.
It does? Since when.
Using evolution to try and explain origins is nothing but fiction. Whenever you ask someone to prove it you get a bunch of excuses.
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:21 am
(January 6, 2019 at 6:04 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: (January 5, 2019 at 3:34 am)Angelina Wrote: Because if God created the universe, that means God created everything in the universe.
No it doesn't. Do you accept the fact that evolution accounts for all of the diversity of life on this earth? Observed rate of evolution is too low to explain existing biodiversity.
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:23 am
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(January 6, 2019 at 6:55 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: It does? Since when.
Using evolution to try and explain origins is nothing but fiction. Whenever you ask someone to prove it you get a bunch of excuses.
Uhm... might you want to expand upon that point M4X?
I'm pretty sure IWNKYAAIMI was being very 'generic' with their use of the word 'Evolution' in their reply to Angelina.
That being said, lots of folks through out this thread have addressed various aspects of said word's use in relation to the various topics.
(January 6, 2019 at 7:21 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (January 6, 2019 at 6:04 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: No it doesn't. Do you accept the fact that evolution accounts for all of the diversity of life on this earth? Observed rate of evolution is too low to explain existing biodiversity.
No, it really is not 'Too low'.
How does one determine if said rate is too low any way?
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:27 am
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Quote:Quote:Observed rate of evolution is too low to explain existing biodiversity.
No, it really is not 'Too low'.
How does one determine if said rate is too low any way?
Observed rate of evolution is less than 5 speciation events in last 150 years. Speciation rate predicted by theory of evolution is 1 new species/year(5 billion species existed for 4 billion years)
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:34 am
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(January 6, 2019 at 7:27 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Quote:No, it really is not 'Too low'.
How does one determine if said rate is too low any way?
Observed rate of evolution is less than 5 speciation events in last 150 years. Speciation rate predicted by theory of evolution is 1 new species/year(5 billion species existed for 4 billion years)
Uhm... where is that figure from?
Pretty sure there's been 'real time' observation of things like 'Stickleback fish' speciating.
So... you're kind of saying that biologists/environmentalists/et.al have only seen/found... five new species in the past 100 odd years?
That... doesn't seem right..... But I'm definately no biologist.
Also... I don't think it's a 'Set' kind of figure. Such as... if there's no change in the environment... then there's no real drive to effect a change in critters. Hence... no real speciation occuring...
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:49 am
(January 6, 2019 at 7:34 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: (January 6, 2019 at 7:27 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: Observed rate of evolution is less than 5 speciation events in last 150 years. Speciation rate predicted by theory of evolution is 1 new species/year(5 billion species existed for 4 billion years)
Pretty sure there's been 'real time' observation of things like 'Stickleback fish' speciating. If you are talking about this
https://www.newscientist.com/article/207...same-lake/
then it's not speciation event.
Quote:“We could be glimpsing the beginnings of two species,”
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:53 am
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(January 6, 2019 at 6:55 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: (January 6, 2019 at 6:04 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: No it doesn't. Do you accept the fact that evolution accounts for all of the diversity of life on this earth? Evolution explains where we as a species came from, and all the pretty flowers that you see. The universe existed for a long time before we came along to invent a God as a cause for it.
So to be clear... Even if a God (whatever that is) created the universe, it makes no sense to credit that God with all that exists now.
It does? Since when.
Using evolution to try and explain origins is nothing but fiction. Whenever you ask someone to prove it you get a bunch of excuses.
Where did I say that? I said it explains the diversity, not the origin of life itself.
(January 6, 2019 at 7:21 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (January 6, 2019 at 6:04 am)IWNKYAAIMI Wrote: No it doesn't. Do you accept the fact that evolution accounts for all of the diversity of life on this earth? Observed rate of evolution is too low to explain existing biodiversity.
You do realise we are not talking thousands of years here?
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 7:59 am
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(January 6, 2019 at 7:49 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: (January 6, 2019 at 7:34 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Pretty sure there's been 'real time' observation of things like 'Stickleback fish' speciating. If you are talking about this
https://www.newscientist.com/article/207...same-lake/
then it's not speciation event.
Quote:“We could be glimpsing the beginnings of two species,”
Well.. I was also thinking of all the species found that haven't evidenced change as well..
Which kind of throws out your numbers a wee tad.
So, how did you reach the idea of X events per Y years anywho?
Not at work.
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RE: Evidence for a god. Do you have any ?
January 6, 2019 at 8:08 am
Always hearing the time excuse. "Takes too much time to happen, so it can't be observed, but take our word for it anyway."
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