(January 13, 2019 at 6:27 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 6:16 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Almost always does not = always.


If I say "I almost always go to the park on Saturday" does it mean I go every Saturday without exception?

Nobody is confused about the meaning of "almost always" except you, Max. 

I don't know anything about the science of fossilization; when I google anything concerning floods and fossils, all that comes up is Answers in Genesis nonsense. Boru is correct. The link you provided does not support your claim:

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Fossilization is almost always a result of flooding.

There are plenty of watery environments outside of flood zones. Please give a reputable citation that fossilization is almost always the result of flooding.

Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

(January 12, 2019 at 11:52 am)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 12, 2019 at 8:19 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Theists are the ones that invoke magic and give no method or evidence to back up their assertion that it must have been not only some sort of god, but the one that hates gays and, for some reason, eating bacon.

More rational people tend to think it must have been a natural event of some kind, rather than some hyper improbable magic man that not only has no proof of its existence but has zero explanatory power.

So you make generalizations about people and then assert you are rational?

Don't have the words to describe your typical statements and various other banter, so I'll go with a photo to illustrate.

Only when such a generalisation is in fact true.

You are claiming that when you grew up, you set aside childish beliefs just like everyone else except one. Don't attempt to blame me for your acceptance for a magic sky fairy.

(January 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 6:27 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Nobody is confused about the meaning of "almost always" except you, Max. 

I don't know anything about the science of fossilization; when I google anything concerning floods and fossils, all that comes up is Answers in Genesis nonsense. Boru is correct. The link you provided does not support your claim:


There are plenty of watery environments outside of flood zones. Please give a reputable citation that fossilization is almost always the result of flooding.

Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

Actually, they do.  No matter, I accept your retraction.

Boru

(January 11, 2019 at 9:41 pm)Angelina Wrote:

(January 11, 2019 at 6:19 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Wait just a moment. You are saying no miracles can possibly occur? As a christian, you now have a huge problem.

Not what I said. Try reading it again.

Sure. It didn'tget better on a second reading.

You are claiming that miraculous events are not possible and are possible.

This thread is about EVIDENCE for a god. So far you have presented none because you have none.

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(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 5:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That's actually not how aquatic fossils get to mountaintops. It's more of a techntonicy-upthrusty thing.

Boru

Ummm, nope.  Fossilization is almost always a result of flooding. 

Wrong. Do you know anything?

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Fossilization is actually a rarity nowadays.

Wrong. Fossilization occurs at the same rate it always has.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:   If you see an animal hit by a car on, or alongside, a road it will just decompose over time. 

LOL, just proved yourself wrong.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Now if a road is rapidly flooded and there was an animal there, the chances will be increased of that animal being fossilized since it can rapidly bury that animal as well as cut off oxygen from reaching the corpse. 

As usual you got some facts correct and promptly borked them. For whatever reason, you seem to be utterly unable to grok "SCALE". Doesn't seem to matter whether it is time, distance, whatever. You simply cannot get your head around even simple things like perspective.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Over time that sediment it's locked away in with replicate it by exchanging molecules with it so that you have a fossil.

That is not even a sentence. But what may one expect from the religiously educated.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 5:22 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: So... do you thik there was a global flood, M4X?

Not 'Extreme'. A flood as described in certain holy texts.

Not at work.

I said "extreme flooding" including over mountains and hills.  That's my position on it.  Why do you keep insisting that I say something you want me to say?  I already answered your question 3-4 different ways now with the same answer.  What do you think about said flooding during the "Bronze Age" as you stated?

You have been dancing around this issue for some time. And I know why. Your options are few at this point. Has the cock crowed yet?

(January 13, 2019 at 6:55 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

Actually, they do.  No matter, I accept your retraction.

Boru

The whole point wasn't to nitpick over water.  It was to highlight how the process happens.  You have something buries, it exchanges molecules with sediment, and forms a cast.  The cast is the fossil.  Things like flooding are frequently associated it because a flood has the ability to move something very rapidly, and bury it in sediment.  It's not the only way though.  It can happen in places like volcanoes.

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(January 13, 2019 at 7:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(January 11, 2019 at 9:41 pm)Angelina Wrote: Not what I said. Try reading it again.

Sure. It didn'tget better  on a second reading.

You are claiming that miraculous events are not possible and are possible.

This thread is about EVIDENCE for a god. So far you have presented none because you have none.

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(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Ummm, nope.  Fossilization is almost always a result of flooding. 

Wrong. Do you know anything?

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Fossilization is actually a rarity nowadays.

Wrong. Fossilization occurs at the same rate it always has.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:   If you see an animal hit by a car on, or alongside, a road it will just decompose over time. 

LOL, just proved yourself wrong.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Now if a road is rapidly flooded and there was an animal there, the chances will be increased of that animal being fossilized since it can rapidly bury that animal as well as cut off oxygen from reaching the corpse. 

As usual you got some facts correct and promptly borked them. For whatever reason, you seem to be utterly unable to grok "SCALE". Doesn't seem to matter whether it is time, distance, whatever. You simply cannot get your head around even simple things like perspective.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Over time that sediment it's locked away in with replicate it by exchanging molecules with it so that you have a fossil.

That is not even a sentence. But what may one expect from the religiously educated.

(January 13, 2019 at 2:51 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: I said "extreme flooding" including over mountains and hills.  That's my position on it.  Why do you keep insisting that I say something you want me to say?  I already answered your question 3-4 different ways now with the same answer.  What do you think about said flooding during the "Bronze Age" as you stated?

You have been dancing around this issue for some time. And I know why. Your options are few at this point. Has the cock crowed yet?

How did I prove myself wrong?  Guessing you don't have a clue, but I'll be glad to listen anyway.

(January 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

Dude. Have you ever swam in a lake? Lakes are --newsflash!-- frikkin' everywhere. Another fact about lakes: many of them have muddy bottoms.

Here's a fact about animals: they like to hang around bodies of water. Do the math. Animals commonly die and/or are hunted around bodies of water.

Let me cut to the chase. Modern science wholly rejects the idea that fossils were created a mere few thousand years ago during a worldwide flood. Where do you stand on the issue? You seem a like you're dodging the issue a little bit, man. Though, admittedly, I'm a bit behind the curve in this thread.


(BTW, I'm not trying to nitpick. I'm just debating the issue. I noticed that another user hit you with a "citation needed" in another thread. I wasn't trying to pile on there or anything. It was mere coincidence that I used the same phrase to request sources from you. Sorry if you're feeling like a human bibliography.)

(January 13, 2019 at 8:11 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

Dude. Have you ever swam in a lake? Lakes are --newsflash!-- frikkin' everywhere. Another fact about lakes: many of them have muddy bottoms.

Here's a fact about animals: they like to hang around bodies of water. Do the math. Animals commonly die and/or are hunted around bodies of water.

Let me cut to the chase. Modern science wholly rejects the idea that fossils were created a mere few thousand years ago during a worldwide flood. Where do you stand on the issue? You seem a like you're dodging the issue a little bit, man. Though, admittedly, I'm a bit behind the curve in this thread.  


(BTW, I'm not trying to nitpick. I'm just debating the issue. I noticed that another user hit you with a "citation needed" in another thread. I wasn't trying to pile on there or anything. It was mere coincidence that I used the same phrase to request sources from you. Sorry if you're feeling like a human bibliography.)

We weren't addressing "when" so not sure where you are going with this.  We were discussing "how" which is what I was responding to.  Prior in the conversation, we already established "when" when Peeblo asserted the "Bronze Age."

Dying in water doesn't automatically = fossil.  If something dies, more than likely it will be dinner for something else.  Same thing on land or it will just decompose.

No problem though.  I get why you asked for a citation.

(January 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 6:27 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Nobody is confused about the meaning of "almost always" except you, Max. 

I don't know anything about the science of fossilization; when I google anything concerning floods and fossils, all that comes up is Answers in Genesis nonsense. Boru is correct. The link you provided does not support your claim:


There are plenty of watery environments outside of flood zones. Please give a reputable citation that fossilization is almost always the result of flooding.

Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

Of course you are going to pick every nit you think you find. Face it, you have spent the last few pages pretending to not understand the biblical flood. That is next level dishonesty.

Of course, lying for jebus is de riguer for you and your ilk. Be warned. This is not our first rodeo.

(January 11, 2019 at 9:41 pm)Angelina Wrote: Not what I said. Try reading it again.

(January 13, 2019 at 7:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Sure. It didn'tget better  on a second reading.

And by that you mean you have serious reading comprehension problems and did not read the sentence all the way through which proved your statement about it completely false. Great thanks.

(January 13, 2019 at 7:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: You are claiming that miraculous events are not possible and are possible.

That is correct if they are claimed to have happened without a source. What we as Christians call miracles are simply things that we as humans with are limited brains do not yet have the capacity to understand. They all have a perfectly logical explanations that are understood by the all-knowing God who is responsible for causing them to occur. You are claiming miraculous things can happen for no reason and without the use of knowledge, information, or a powerful and willfull higher intelligence. Your claim is quite literally not possible and pure fiction.

(January 13, 2019 at 7:01 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: This thread is about EVIDENCE for a god. So far you have presented none because you have none.

Life and self-awareness and pleasure and pain are sufficient enough evidence for God. Everything else God put on this planet for us are just millions of examples of additional evidence.

(January 13, 2019 at 8:19 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(January 13, 2019 at 6:47 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Not going to nitpick over this.  We can remove the term "flood" and say "watery environment that buries."

There are other watery environments - yep, but they don't normally bury dead animals and such rapidly in sediment.

Of course you are going to pick every nit you think you find. Face it, you have spent the last few pages pretending to not understand the biblical flood. That is next level dishonesty.

Of course, lying for jebus is de riguer for you and your ilk. Be warned. This is not our first rodeo.

Have you always been such a crybaby?  If you can't engage the material logically, then don't waste my time.   Not interested in conversations with people who add no value and just want to pick fights.  Which is all you constantly do.