Moderates, or as I like to call them "Frauderates" see conservatives as more willing to negotiate. That's because this is how they see negotiation:

Side 1: "We want to kill all Hispanic people."
Side 2: "We don't want to kill any Hispanic people."
Compromise: Kill HALF the Hispanic people
SIde 1: "We're okay with that!
Side 2: "We're not!"
Frauderates: "SIDE 2 IS SO UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE!"

There's a super double standard going on.

When the left compromises, they're called out as not standing up for their beliefs.
When the right compromises, they're lauded for compromising (often on their AWFUL beliefs)
When the left doesn't compromise, they're called out as being unwilling to compromise and are part of the problem.
When the right doesn't compromise, it's ignored.

Like when President Obama nominated Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. Republicans REFUSED to give him a hearing. It's not that they would vote against him--they outright refused to hold a vote.
When Donald nominated Brettt Kavanaugh, accused of sexual assault, to the Supreme Court Republicans REFUSED to withdraw the nomination, and REFUSED to have an in depth investigation into the allegations, and made up their mind on him before hand.

When Democrats wanted single payer healthcare, they compromised, and we ended up with the Affordable Care Act.
When Republicans got in office, they made it their top goal to repeal the affordable care act. They just barely failed to overturn it.

Democrats offered Donald money for his stupid shrine to racism and bigotry in exchange for protection for DACA.
Donald refused the deal, figuring he had the power.
Despite that, he never made any steps toward getting funding for his Bigotry Memorial until Democrats were in power.
Now, Democrats are the ones saying no.
Some would have you think that Democrats need to 'compromise here' -- and they HAVE. They've offered money toward OTHER border protection, but not the wall. This is the very definition of compromise.

On Gun Control, Democrats have scaled back asking for a full out ban, looking to expand background checks. Republicans have always said no. No ban on bump stocks after the Vegas Shooting. No action at all after the murder of Kindergarteners in Sandy Hook. Apparently, the murder of Kindergartners does not weigh on the conscience of Republicans or their voters.

Conservatives get credit for 'compromising' without ever really compromising. Mostly because I don't think a lot of people understand what compromise really is. Meanwhile Democrats are called out for not compromising, despite compromising all the time.

It's outrageous.

(March 18, 2019 at 5:19 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Moderates, or as I like to call them "Frauderates" see conservatives as more willing to negotiate.  That's because this is how they see negotiation:

Side 1: "We want to kill all Hispanic people."
Side 2: "We don't want to kill any Hispanic people."
Compromise: Kill HALF the Hispanic people
SIde 1: "We're okay with that!
Side 2: "We're not!"
Frauderates: "SIDE 2 IS SO UNWILLING TO COMPROMISE!"

What an insanely disingenuous way to represent moderate liberals. How insane are you that this is your picture of us? This is more evidence of how out of touch with reality you idiots on the far left are. What a fucking moron.

(March 18, 2019 at 5:42 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: What an insanely disingenuous way to represent moderate liberals. How insane are you that this is your picture of us? This is more evidence of how out of touch with reality you idiots on the far left are. What a fucking moron.

You're the one out of touch with reality.  It's nice to see that your only response to this argument is an ad hominem attack, rather than any specific rebuttal.  When you don't have a response, it's best that you don't hit that little 'post reply' button at the bottom.  I realize the youtube comments section has convinced you that this is a good idea.  But I assure you it is not.

(March 18, 2019 at 5:47 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 5:42 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: What an insanely disingenuous way to represent moderate liberals. How insane are you that this is your picture of us? This is more evidence of how out of touch with reality you idiots on the far left are. What a fucking moron.

You're the one out of touch with reality.  It's nice to see that your only response to this argument is an ad hominem attack, rather than any specific rebuttal.  When you don't have a response, it's best that you don't hit that little 'post reply' button at the bottom.  I realize the youtube comments section has convinced you that this is a good idea.  But I assure you it is not.

What the fuck are you talking about? youtube comments? Huh?

What are you babbling about?

You haven't even created any sort of credible argument, hence you deserve no serious response from me. You're a fucking idiot.

When you actually come up with a serious argument, maybe we'll have a conversation. When you start off talking about how "frauderates" would be okay with half the Hispanic population being killed, I have no reason to take you seriously, even if you're using jokes to prove a point. You're delusional.

(March 18, 2019 at 5:52 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? youtube comments? Huh?

What are you babbling about?

You haven't even created any sort of credible argument, hence you deserve no serious response from me. You're a fucking idiot.

When you actually come up with a serious argument, maybe we'll have a conversation. When you start off talking about how "frauderates" would be okay with half the Hispanic population being killed, I have no reason to take you seriously, even if you're using jokes to prove a point. You're delusional.

If my argument were not credible, instead of resorting to name calling like a second grader--you would've refuted my argument.  But I suppose when you've got nothing to add to a discussion, but have a compulsive need to hear your own voice (or in this case, see your own words typed on a screen) you just post the first thing that comes into your mind.  Good for you.  Gold star for being able to hit that 'post button' I'm sure your parents are very proud.

The myth of bipartisanship, lol.  Internally, the american left is engaged in a near constant compromise with each other, but at least they'll do that.  The right is not interested n a compromise with the left.  Full stop.

"Frauderates", for their part, are okay with lots of shit...even if they don't like to think of the shit they're okay with -as- the shit that it is, but only because they've been hard trolled by an uncompromising right. The moderates keep getting rolled, everything they swear that the other side has assured them of ends up collapsing. Most of the time, it takes a few months, tops, for the nutballs to make liars out of them.

Either people will figure this out or they won't. : shrugs :

(March 18, 2019 at 5:58 pm)Cecelia Wrote: If my argument were not credible, instead of resorting to name calling like a second grader--you would've refuted my argument.  But I suppose when you've got nothing to add to a discussion, but have a compulsive need to hear your own voice (or in this case, see your own words typed on a screen) you just post the first thing that comes into your mind.  Good for you.  Gold star for being able to hit that 'post button' I'm sure your parents are very proud.

No, not really. Some arguments are not worth having. Someone should tell you you're a fucking idiot though, because I'm sure you have a couple people on here who are moronic enough that they live in that echo chamber with you and the rest are probably too polite to call you out on your nonsense. I find this is often the case.

That being said, if you can come up with a legitimate argument, maybe I'll have a conversation with you. Until then, I am not going to entertain your divisive nonsense, nor should anyone else.

(March 18, 2019 at 6:04 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: No, not really. Some arguments are not worth having. Someone should tell you you're a fucking idiot though, because I'm sure you have a couple people on here who are moronic enough that they live in that echo chamber with you and the rest are probably too polite to call you out on your nonsense. I find this is often the case.

That being said, if you can come up with a legitimate argument, maybe I'll have a conversation with you. Until then, I am not going to entertain your divisive nonsense, nor should anyone else.

You're probably very used to living in echo chambers where people are too polite to call you out on your childish behavior.  But here, you're going to get called out on it.  Feel free to crawl back to the youtube comment section from whence you came.

(March 18, 2019 at 6:08 pm)Cecelia Wrote:

(March 18, 2019 at 6:04 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: No, not really. Some arguments are not worth having. Someone should tell you you're a fucking idiot though, because I'm sure you have a couple people on here who are moronic enough that they live in that echo chamber with you and the rest are probably too polite to call you out on your nonsense. I find this is often the case.

That being said, if you can come up with a legitimate argument, maybe I'll have a conversation with you. Until then, I am not going to entertain your divisive nonsense, nor should anyone else.

You're probably very used to living in echo chambers where people are too polite to call you out on your childish behavior.  But here, you're going to get called out on it.  Feel free to crawl back to the youtube comment section from whence you came.

Once again, rambling on about youtube.... huh?

The thing I find funniest about you guys is how you try to belittle everyone else around you yet most of you have never actually been involved in politics. Most of you morons on the far-left only seem to be into arguing about shit on the internet. That's why I don't take you people seriously; you're like flat-earthers or 9/11 truthers.... you're totally on another planet from everyone else.

Have you ever attended a town hall meeting? Campaigned for a local official? Donated to a party or campaign? Anything? I mean have you done ANYTHING in local, State or national politics?

I've personally campaigned for local officials a couple times over the years, helped get one mayor elected who got more funding for local schools and helped get two local high schools in the area get new buildings built. I was part of a committee that helped get NARCAN out and available for opiate addicts in a few major metropolitan areas where I live and helped get hundreds of addicts help for their issues; both detox and psychological help. I was also part of an initiative that helped bring awareness to the bullying and discrimination LGBTQ teens face in schools in my area.

Honestly, what have you done, besides argue with people on AF about how they're "not far left enough?" Seriously? What have you done?

So yea, excuse me if I don't take you seriously. Once again, when you hope to have a serious conversation, when you're not suggesting that moderates are okay with people being killed in the name of compromising, maybe we can talk.

I've done all of those things and also put my life and blood and everything I've ever owned on the line.  

Getting into a purity test with a radical probably isn't a good idea. In any case, moderates may not be "okay" with killing in the name of compromise......but that's what happens in the name of compromise, and the whole time, the people you're looking to compromise with are steady making a liar out of you - you compromise with them, they don't compromise with you. Compromising with an asshole will only get you closer to asshole. That's how compromise with assholes works, regardless of what your intentions may be.

Compromise isn't a virtue unto itself. It's a worship word used to brow beat you.