I find that people like Yon who hold derogatory opinions regarding other people tend to be too self-absorbed to be suicidal.

(April 12, 2019 at 11:47 pm)Kit Wrote: I find that people like Yon who hold derogatory opinions regarding other people tend to be too self-absorbed to be suicidal.

I think that statement is poorly-informed. I don't know all the numbers, but narcissists tend toward suicide-- and they have a higher "success" rate than those with other emotional disorders.

You can think it all you want.

(April 13, 2019 at 1:27 am)Kit Wrote: You can think it all you want.

Well, I'd be curious if you have any actual experience with suicide.  How is it that you "find" certain people to be a certain way in this case?

Or is it just that you want to reserve the right to call Yonadav names, and not be deflected by the possibility that extreme insult might do more harm than anticipated?

I can keep up the pretense of not caring as much as Yon.

(April 13, 2019 at 1:39 am)bennyboy Wrote: Well, I'd be curious if you have any actual experience with suicide.  How is it that you "find" certain people to be a certain way in this case?

Or is it just that you want to reserve the right to call Yonadav names, and not be deflected by the possibility that extreme insult might do more harm than anticipated?

If being called names was a reason to suicide, I would be dead about 10 times.

(April 13, 2019 at 3:57 am)LastPoet Wrote:

(April 13, 2019 at 1:39 am)bennyboy Wrote: Well, I'd be curious if you have any actual experience with suicide.  How is it that you "find" certain people to be a certain way in this case?

Or is it just that you want to reserve the right to call Yonadav names, and not be deflected by the possibility that extreme insult might do more harm than anticipated?

If being called names was a reason to suicide, I would be dead about 10 times.

Yep.  And some people are dead just once. It's one thing to get a little steamed in a debate and call someone an asshole or something. It's another thing to generalize a person's humanity and keep saying they are a piece of shit. Let's break down a recent example:

(April 12, 2019 at 11:27 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: All I know was that the creature was a human turd and I hope to never see it post here again.

Talking about a possible trans person as a "creature" and as "it," and also calling him a human turd. Why does it have to be said in this way? Why not say, "I really dislike Yonadav because of the things he said. His views are strongly antithetical to mine, and I really just can't understand how someone could hold them"? Same basic idea, but not with the shit-slinging.

(April 12, 2019 at 11:42 pm)bennyboy Wrote: For example, if Yonadav is really post-op MTF trans, and knowing the stats about suicide for that group of people, is it really necessary to go that far with your language?  

It's the very misogyny and transphobia that Yonadav comes out with that is a significant cause of the high rates of suicide among trans people. I think he's internalised it and is spreading it to gain some form of acceptance rather than fighting back. If so it's tragic.

You can't go through life assuming that people are so fragile that they'll kill themselves if you call them on their shit.

Wow I just read this whole thread and I'm getting quite a bit of deja vu. These are my thoughts and they are  just thoughts and nothing more I'm not trying to tell people what to do or anything like that.

I believe Yonadav is first and foremost trolling for effect, this is from my experience of him on TTA, then on AD and now here on AF. On all three forums he has displayed and behaved in similar ways, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind the dude is a hardcore misogynist, his atrocious behaviour towards Aliza on TTA is testament to that, but I don't think he is racist though as I've never seen anything that leads me to think he is, unless I've missed something major which is possible.

On TTA he got off to a bad start but he did settle down after a bit and became quite affable, I got on quite well with him for a while until he reverted to old behaviour leading me to think the guy does indeed have some significant psychological issues but..... first and foremost he's a troll and possibly a troll that's addicted to trolling and associated attention seeking behaviours.

He is not being castigated and called out just because he holds controversial opinions he's being called out and castigated as a misogynistic disruptive troll who deliberately baits people so he can feed off their reaction and the only way to stop that is

1)Starve him of the oxygen of attention, reaction, publicity etc by ignoring him which on a large forum is difficult to achieve.

2) Place him in special measures or on some form of probation and hope his behaviour improves.

3) Ban him from the forum. 

4) Do nothing and accept that he's a member with a shitty attitude. 

Personally I think the last option is best, after all you all put up with Dritch and he's at least as poisonous as Yonadav and possibly more so in some ways.