In truth, it is better for his base to let trump be trump because we have a sense of where he is coming from than allow a known habitual lying politician put on a well respected but pretend persona, and wreak havoc behind the curtains.

I whole hearted agree we should let trump be trump, so long as he is being the trump that is being butt fucked in prison.

(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Why do we like trump?
...

I am a centrist, so I am interested in hearing both sides.  Unfortunately, your points were more about emotion than reason.  You don't like the other side, and your are cheering on Donald because he sticks it to them.

I actually think this is where U.S. debate is right now, for both sides.

Just keep on thing in mind -- the job of a each political party is to split people from the other group.  Parties do not have fixed ideologies -- they only have a majority of supporters, or they don't.  They will do anything and say anything to find a sub-group that it can woo away from the other party.  This makes their views shift with each election cycle.

It is very unlikely that a rational person will support that majority of a party platform, unless they have been drinking the propaganda cool-aid.  I support no leader unconditionally, and I support no party enough that I won't vote them out next election if they disappoint.

US is currently at a state where we would support an arsonist for president because he would make an entertaining show of burning down our house with us in it simply because our hated relatives would be in it as well.

(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 4, 2019 at 4:05 pm)GODZILLA Wrote: I don't get it! Has any sort of American Political leader had this sort of cult-like following before? Obviously, it has happened in other countries. Hitler, Kim Jong Un, and his family and interestingly enough, Putin. To be frank, Trump is a fucking moron. So why is it his followers seem to worship him? I have witnessed this myself via social media among my personal friends. Even so recently, like yesterday a friend of mine posted something talking shit about John McCain. This guy is a Trump supporter. His base often likes to see what they want to see. If you tell them the sky is blue, they will argue that it is green if Trump said it. To a normal, sane human being anyone who supports Trump comes off as a total moron. Again, Trump has demonstrated time and time again that he has very low intelligence. I like Tulsi, but I don't worship her. I can see her flaws, she is not a perfect human being. In fact, I have felt she needs to discuss more her plans for implementing policy instead of just using applause lines.

The truth?

Most followers do not like the "new super sensitive super tolerant to the point of hatred and bigotry towards anything not this new BS version america.
For instance under obama there was much lip service to tolerance and racial equality, but in practice we got riots and instability because the president himself was causing unrest and distrust of the police department, primarily by second guessing every shooting against a black person. 

Non-indoctrinated what you would call uneducated (but truly that is the definition of unindoctrinated if you think about it) people see this are are not stupid just because we have not been taught how to process what the president was doing. we are not stupid just because we do not buy into the group think that demands everyone on the left is right and everyone not far left is a racist.

Why do we like trump? 
1 because he is far smarter and can easily manipulate the media into doing what he wants. yes it is a give and take but for the most part trump pushes the group think media outlets into doing things for him they would otherwise never do. My personal favorite win was when on his campaign got them to cover his open galia at his new DC hotel by telling them he was going to admit to the obama birth certificate thing.. they estimated 50 million dollars worth of coverage and at the very end of the night he had a 15 second blurp..

2) He is not owned by any special interest other than his own. that intrest centers around his ability to make money, which is tied to the US economy! which means for him to make money we all make money! we went from .5%GDP growth to 4% when obama said the new normal was .5 to maybe 1% growth!!! Obama said gone are the days of 3% gdp growth! (this means we were in a perminate depression) that we would have to simply learn to tighten our belts!

3) he has done or tried to do everything his campaign said he would do. From draining the swamp to getting out of this stupid parris climate thing to redoing nafta and finishing obama's wall! getting rid of obama care!

4)he ended ISIS, we are safer concerning N.Korea since before WWII, we are holding iran to account to not having nukes. we solidified our partnership with Israel/got out of bed with Iran. we are no longer on track for becoming apart of the EU. he has enforced out border laws. he makes people imigrate the legal way. and as a first born son/first generation american born citizen from my mom's family, making people imigrate properly is very improtant to me and all of my family, conformity as it ensures integration into society and not disconnect sub cells of people. Meaning we see ourselves as americans with a stake in this country which means we seek to be apart of it by obeying the laws and want to be apart of the process, rather than seeing ourselves as us against the USA.

5) he is a live and let live president. he is showing you do not have to love chip on the shoulder people just to be tolerant. you can live and let live. where as the 'educated' (witnessed by the berkley riots) not even allowing a differently minded speak speak on campus. those 'educated people' would rather see the campus burn than allow simple freedom of speech to happen! America also wants to go back to not feeling obligated that every american owes black people 40 acres and a mule.. Why not again live and let live? meaning if you personally owned a slave then pay up your 40 acres and a mule! if not and if you where never a slave then learn to simple be decent to one another.. black people should not have to place whites at the same time there needs to be common goals as rules we all must obey as we come together as a society.. meaning the same rules that apply to whites latinos and asians should also be applied to black people when we are all out in public. no one race should be treated differently.

6)policy... not so much his, but the alternative. There is no middle ground on the left any more. your either want to be a socialist or the option is you don't which means trump. Most of us/trumper know we are the target of 'wealth redistribution.' even if the numbers are high right now. most of us understand and can see a day when middle of the road people will have to pay for the worthless and lazy/educated/can't pay back my student loans meanwhile I got a job out of highschool worked and made money for the first 5 or 10 years and now own my own business in this trade and make 6 or 7 figures while "educated people" want 'the rich undeserving' to pay for their loans and pay them to stay in their moms basements playing fortnight.

7) Clinton was evil and everyone knew it. She was not fooling anyone and we could clearly her tell one group of people one thing and another somethng completely contradictory and when ever confronted... she answered not the question asked but the question she would liked them to have asked! typical politician. 'we' are tired of the political lies. 'we' would rather have someone say something unpopular than lie.

That is why trump is given so much forgiveness. Grab a woman by the "p" did he lie about doing it? no he said he said it, but it is locker room talk.. Meh... why? because he is a playboy billionaire not a holier than thou politician. Trump is trump, he is what the constitution writers planned for.. a citizen, not a life long career politician, but a business man who is apart of the great mass of people flaws and all to be appointed leader!

8)preservation of the US constitution as the forefathers planed it. know it or not on the left there is a huge movement to stifle free speech freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. with a "dim in office the supreme court was to empty out for fresh blood on the "dims' side (albeit they justices are supposed to be neutral) Clinton vowed to fill the court who saw the constitution as a 'living document.' Trump vowed and has made choices to the bench that maintains the constitution and bill of rights as they where originally written.

IE the Dims voted for a change of the 1st amendment that changed it from freedom of speech to freedom of reasonable speech. and the lower house voted on this and the dims passed the "reasonable speech" and voted down the original 1st amendment freedom n all speech.

9) because we know indoctrination is not the same as education, and are not afraid of people on the left calling us names or cutting us out of their elitist club.

10) trump ties us to our proud past or the parts of our past we can be proud of rather than shaming everyamerican for every sin our forbearers made. we are the hard working calluses hands sore sun burned back of this country and we will not be told what is right by people who put men in dresses in the same bathroom as a little girl. Again not that we have to hate that broken man, but at the same time we do not have to put our children and wives in danger for the sake of people who want to pretend there is nothing at all wrong with this. We are tired of the nut bags telling common sense folk what is right and what is wrong. Again common sense people don't have to hate anyone. that is what nut baggers do (if it is not the same hate it/make them feel unwelcome and not part of the club) however at the same time if you do not want to play by society's rules then you also should remove the expectations of polite society.

Trump allows you guys to have your space to be as nutty as you like pushing the idea of unisex bathrooms meaning anyone not wanted to be gender assigned to use one room or another to poop or pee can come together in one place... where as the last guy demanded everyone just accept a guy in a dress in the woman's locker room.

Not specificall about this one subject but the over all meeting in the middle where the left demands my way only.

You have some major brain dammage

(June 12, 2019 at 10:16 pm)GODZILLA Wrote:

(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: The truth?

Most followers do not like the "new super sensitive super tolerant to the point of hatred and bigotry towards anything not this new BS version america.
For instance under obama there was much lip service to tolerance and racial equality, but in practice we got riots and instability because the president himself was causing unrest and distrust of the police department, primarily by second guessing every shooting against a black person. 

Non-indoctrinated what you would call uneducated (but truly that is the definition of unindoctrinated if you think about it) people see this are are not stupid just because we have not been taught how to process what the president was doing. we are not stupid just because we do not buy into the group think that demands everyone on the left is right and everyone not far left is a racist.

Why do we like trump? 
1 because he is far smarter and can easily manipulate the media into doing what he wants. yes it is a give and take but for the most part trump pushes the group think media outlets into doing things for him they would otherwise never do. My personal favorite win was when on his campaign got them to cover his open galia at his new DC hotel by telling them he was going to admit to the obama birth certificate thing.. they estimated 50 million dollars worth of coverage and at the very end of the night he had a 15 second blurp..

2) He is not owned by any special interest other than his own. that intrest centers around his ability to make money, which is tied to the US economy! which means for him to make money we all make money! we went from .5%GDP growth to 4% when obama said the new normal was .5 to maybe 1% growth!!! Obama said gone are the days of 3% gdp growth! (this means we were in a perminate depression) that we would have to simply learn to tighten our belts!

3) he has done or tried to do everything his campaign said he would do. From draining the swamp to getting out of this stupid parris climate thing to redoing nafta and finishing obama's wall! getting rid of obama care!

4)he ended ISIS, we are safer concerning N.Korea since before WWII, we are holding iran to account to not having nukes. we solidified our partnership with Israel/got out of bed with Iran. we are no longer on track for becoming apart of the EU. he has enforced out border laws. he makes people imigrate the legal way. and as a first born son/first generation american born citizen from my mom's family, making people imigrate properly is very improtant to me and all of my family, conformity as it ensures integration into society and not disconnect sub cells of people. Meaning we see ourselves as americans with a stake in this country which means we seek to be apart of it by obeying the laws and want to be apart of the process, rather than seeing ourselves as us against the USA.

5) he is a live and let live president. he is showing you do not have to love chip on the shoulder people just to be tolerant. you can live and let live. where as the 'educated' (witnessed by the berkley riots) not even allowing a differently minded speak speak on campus. those 'educated people' would rather see the campus burn than allow simple freedom of speech to happen! America also wants to go back to not feeling obligated that every american owes black people 40 acres and a mule.. Why not again live and let live? meaning if you personally owned a slave then pay up your 40 acres and a mule! if not and if you where never a slave then learn to simple be decent to one another.. black people should not have to place whites at the same time there needs to be common goals as rules we all must obey as we come together as a society.. meaning the same rules that apply to whites latinos and asians should also be applied to black people when we are all out in public. no one race should be treated differently.

6)policy... not so much his, but the alternative. There is no middle ground on the left any more. your either want to be a socialist or the option is you don't which means trump. Most of us/trumper know we are the target of 'wealth redistribution.' even if the numbers are high right now. most of us understand and can see a day when middle of the road people will have to pay for the worthless and lazy/educated/can't pay back my student loans meanwhile I got a job out of highschool worked and made money for the first 5 or 10 years and now own my own business in this trade and make 6 or 7 figures while "educated people" want 'the rich undeserving' to pay for their loans and pay them to stay in their moms basements playing fortnight.

7) Clinton was evil and everyone knew it. She was not fooling anyone and we could clearly her tell one group of people one thing and another somethng completely contradictory and when ever confronted... she answered not the question asked but the question she would liked them to have asked! typical politician. 'we' are tired of the political lies. 'we' would rather have someone say something unpopular than lie.

That is why trump is given so much forgiveness. Grab a woman by the "p" did he lie about doing it? no he said he said it, but it is locker room talk.. Meh... why? because he is a playboy billionaire not a holier than thou politician. Trump is trump, he is what the constitution writers planned for.. a citizen, not a life long career politician, but a business man who is apart of the great mass of people flaws and all to be appointed leader!

8)preservation of the US constitution as the forefathers planed it. know it or not on the left there is a huge movement to stifle free speech freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. with a "dim in office the supreme court was to empty out for fresh blood on the "dims' side (albeit they justices are supposed to be neutral) Clinton vowed to fill the court who saw the constitution as a 'living document.' Trump vowed and has made choices to the bench that maintains the constitution and bill of rights as they where originally written.

IE the Dims voted for a change of the 1st amendment that changed it from freedom of speech to freedom of reasonable speech. and the lower house voted on this and the dims passed the "reasonable speech" and voted down the original 1st amendment freedom n all speech.

9) because we know indoctrination is not the same as education, and are not afraid of people on the left calling us names or cutting us out of their elitist club.

10) trump ties us to our proud past or the parts of our past we can be proud of rather than shaming everyamerican for every sin our forbearers made. we are the hard working calluses hands sore sun burned back of this country and we will not be told what is right by people who put men in dresses in the same bathroom as a little girl. Again not that we have to hate that broken man, but at the same time we do not have to put our children and wives in danger for the sake of people who want to pretend there is nothing at all wrong with this. We are tired of the nut bags telling common sense folk what is right and what is wrong. Again common sense people don't have to hate anyone. that is what nut baggers do (if it is not the same hate it/make them feel unwelcome and not part of the club) however at the same time if you do not want to play by society's rules then you also should remove the expectations of polite society.

Trump allows you guys to have your space to be as nutty as you like pushing the idea of unisex bathrooms meaning anyone not wanted to be gender assigned to use one room or another to poop or pee can come together in one place... where as the last guy demanded everyone just accept a guy in a dress in the woman's locker room.

Not specificall about this one subject but the over all meeting in the middle where the left demands my way only.

You have some major brain dammage

Nonsense.  There is no brain to damage.

(June 12, 2019 at 7:57 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Why do we like trump?
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I am a centrist, so I am interested in hearing both sides.  Unfortunately, your points were more about emotion than reason.  You don't like the other side, and your are cheering on Donald because he sticks it to them.

you read the first line of point oneand made your conclusions... if you where open minded and read everything you should have exrapolated these points:

1) Trump is cunning and not easily manipulated by bad people in fact often times can turn a manipulated situation to have it blow up in the face of the bad people. (where is the hatred for the left in that?)

2)Now owned by special instrest groups. his intrest is in making money and for him to make money the rest of us have to also make alot of money in the process. So he fights to foster a good ecconomy so companies can feed this nation's ecconomy. (where is the hatred for the left in that?)


3) he full filled all of his campaign promises or is in the middle of doing so. (where is the hatred for the left in that?)

4)He ended ISIS (where is the hatred for the left in that?)

5)He is a live and let live when it comes to social issues he does not seek to polarize as obama did causing the riots ( No race riots.. where is the hatred for the left in that?)

6) his policies when compared to the left are middle centric. or at least the closest thing we have to a middle now. 

7)He is a constitutional preservationist! How does wanting to up hold how the constitution was written hatred to the left?

8) there is no branding or special indoctrination needed to understand trump or his motivations. you may not like his approach but it is all there, no secrete special interest "uranium 1 deals" Where clinton dressed up a trade deal to cover the sale of weapons grade uranium to russia when our laws forbid such a thing. again how is transparent =  for the left ?

9) he treats people according to their merit and not because of gender or skin color. if you can do a job you are given a place and responsibility if not then you are moved aside for someone more qualified. this is the crux of equality and of fairness.

10) trump has removed the shame people on the left would demand whites carry. (where is the hatred for the left in that?)

It certainly does not seem you are centered as you claim to be if you only see hatred for the left in what I said.

Godzilla: Me want to object, but me not smart enough to go point by point but me need to say something... me know! if me can make people think Drich isbroken den everbree thing drich says can be dismiss without talking or making valid points.


Hmmm what me say?

Quote:GODZILLA

You have some major brain dammage

Godzilla: Me so smart me burn drich so good! he not forget dis much burn any time soon..
 Drich:

(June 10, 2019 at 1:03 pm)Drich Wrote:

(June 4, 2019 at 4:05 pm)GODZILLA Wrote: I don't get it! Has any sort of American Political leader had this sort of cult-like following before? Obviously, it has happened in other countries. Hitler, Kim Jong Un, and his family and interestingly enough, Putin. To be frank, Trump is a fucking moron. So why is it his followers seem to worship him? I have witnessed this myself via social media among my personal friends. Even so recently, like yesterday a friend of mine posted something talking shit about John McCain. This guy is a Trump supporter. His base often likes to see what they want to see. If you tell them the sky is blue, they will argue that it is green if Trump said it. To a normal, sane human being anyone who supports Trump comes off as a total moron. Again, Trump has demonstrated time and time again that he has very low intelligence. I like Tulsi, but I don't worship her. I can see her flaws, she is not a perfect human being. In fact, I have felt she needs to discuss more her plans for implementing policy instead of just using applause lines.

The truth?

Most followers do not like the "new super sensitive super tolerant to the point of hatred and bigotry towards anything not this new BS version america.
For instance under obama there was much lip service to tolerance and racial equality, but in practice we got riots and instability because the president himself was causing unrest and distrust of the police department, primarily by second guessing every shooting against a black person. 

You have to understand that he didn't make up that narrative, it's something that's been thought for decades, and it's reality. To second-guess police shooting of black men is the right thing to do. I know you're not a young man, Drich. The civil rights movement isn't ancient history. We don't live in a post-racial society. The fact that so many white Americans think we do speaks to how segregated we still are. We have no idea what the other side thinks... we just get caricatures. Our opinions and experiences go through so many filters we've lost the ability to connect with one another as human beings. You're guilty of it by downplaying the black experience in America. It's draining. I've been guilty of it by being raised a northeast liberal to look down on Southern conservatives. Deconstructing our views is important.

Quote:Why do we like trump? 
1 because he is far smarter and can easily manipulate the media into doing what he wants. yes it is a give and take but for the most part trump pushes the group think media outlets into doing things for him they would otherwise never do. My personal favorite win was when on his campaign got them to cover his open galia at his new DC hotel by telling them he was going to admit to the obama birth certificate thing.. they estimated 50 million dollars worth of coverage and at the very end of the night he had a 15 second blurp..

Do you sincerely believe him to be a smart man, smarter than previous presidents? What goes into intelligence in your opinion? Hearing him speak... you would think his brain development slowed at a young age. I'm not trying to personally attack you, and his politics aren't relevant - he sounds and acts like a child. Not an intelligent man. What do you see in him that's intelligent? I think the media set themselves up and continue to do so, he didn't have to do much but be ridiculous.

Quote:2) He is not owned by any special interest other than his own. that intrest centers around his ability to make money, which is tied to the US economy! which means for him to make money we all make money! we went from .5%GDP growth to 4% when obama said the new normal was .5 to maybe 1% growth!!! Obama said gone are the days of 3% gdp growth! (this means we were in a perminate depression) that we would have to simply learn to tighten our belts!

That's just not true. He is private interests. Remember when conservatives were outraged at Clinton's relationship with Goldman Sachs? He literally put Goldman Sachs employees in key cabinet positions. The Secretary of the Treasury is literally one of them!!! You're okay with this?

I'd also like to live in a fantasy world where a billionaire is somehow hurt when the U.S. economy doesn't do "well," however you measure that. People lost their homes and life savings in the 2008 recession. Trump probably only knew it happened because it's all FOX was talking about. Please dis-spell the myth from your mind that the ultra-wealthy care about our well-being or the condition of the economy as it impacts their own personal wealth. It doesn't make sense.

How do you measure economic success, by the way? How have you seen it reflected in your business/personal life? There's more to it than taxes, which, on average, increased for the people who need it to decrease the most.

Quote:3) he has done or tried to do everything his campaign said he would do. From draining the swamp to getting out of this stupid parris climate thing to redoing nafta and finishing obama's wall! getting rid of obama care!

He's not getting rid of Obamacare. It's still law of the land. Instead, what he's done is carelessly destabilized the market without signing a new comprehensive bill into law, something that every health-related agency (including his own pick for Secretary of HHS) strongly advised not to do, and he's lucky there's a bipartisan measure to stabilize it coming out of the Senate HELP Committee in a few weeks. I work in health care policy in D.C. If you'd like me to share stories about how lobbyists from both sides of the aisle laugh at Trump's health care efforts.. "Who knew healthcare could be so complicated?" The man is just a hurdle in the way of lowering health care costs.

I also fail to see how the Wall would be worth the billions taxpayers would shell out for it. Care to explain?

The Paris thing is "stupid"? A bit flippant of a way to refer to a revolutionary climate change fighting deal, but ok.

Quote:4)he ended ISIS, we are safer concerning N.Korea since before WWII, we are holding iran to account to not having nukes. we solidified our partnership with Israel/got out of bed with Iran. we are no longer on track for becoming apart of the EU. he has enforced out border laws. he makes people imigrate the legal way. and as a first born son/first generation american born citizen from my mom's family, making people imigrate properly is very improtant to me and all of my family, conformity as it ensures integration into society and not disconnect sub cells of people. Meaning we see ourselves as americans with a stake in this country which means we seek to be apart of it by obeying the laws and want to be apart of the process, rather than seeing ourselves as us against the USA.

Last I checked ISIS still exists and the history of the organization isn't that black and white. They're not dead or gone. Also, we don't qualify to join the EU...because... do I have to explain why? I don't know jack about foreign policy, I'll let that be. But "immigrating properly"? No... no, no there's no proper immigration in this country as long as they feel ostracized. I'd focus far less on legal vs illegal, and more so on how to integrate immigrants into American society. Trump's rhetoric causes legal immigrants to choose to go on the defensive against people they assume are against them. Think about the rhetoric and the culture, not legality. You think immigrants who went through a legal process will feel like Americans when brown people are discriminated against for being brown? Why would they ever feel an ounce of kinship with you, Drich? Are you truly welcoming to those different than you? Tell me. Not doubting you, but tell me.

Those evil MS-13 cowards should rot in prison, but it's no secret why they exist. It's not because they're just bad people... life isn't that simple! I'll give you a hint: MS-13 only exists in the U.S., not in El Salvador where many members are from. Why?

Quote:5) he is a live and let live president. he is showing you do not have to love chip on the shoulder people just to be tolerant. you can live and let live. where as the 'educated' (witnessed by the berkley riots) not even allowing a differently minded speak speak on campus. those 'educated people' would rather see the campus burn than allow simple freedom of speech to happen!

Stop. "Live and let live"? He's constantly bitter, constantly berating others. What are you talking about? Dude has a chip permanently implanted in his shoulder! It's incredible how we see things so differently.

Quote:America also wants to go back to not feeling obligated that every american owes black people 40 acres and a mule.. Why not again live and let live? meaning if you personally owned a slave then pay up your 40 acres and a mule! if not and if you where never a slave then learn to simple be decent to one another.. black people should not have to place whites at the same time there needs to be common goals as rules we all must obey as we come together as a society.. meaning the same rules that apply to whites latinos and asians should also be applied to black people when we are all out in public. no one race should be treated differently.

See my response at the beginning. That's the goal, yes, but to call it reality is disingenuous. Sorry.

Quote:6)policy... not so much his, but the alternative. There is no middle ground on the left any more. your either want to be a socialist or the option is you don't which means trump. Most of us/trumper know we are the target of 'wealth redistribution.' even if the numbers are high right now. most of us understand and can see a day when middle of the road people will have to pay for the worthless and lazy/educated/can't pay back my student loans meanwhile I got a job out of highschool worked and made money for the first 5 or 10 years and now own my own business in this trade and make 6 or 7 figures while "educated people" want 'the rich undeserving' to pay for their loans and pay them to stay in their moms basements playing fortnight.

AHA! What is it with middle class conservatives? A tax on those making $10 million and you feel it's coming after you? Are you INSANE? I dont get it!! I dont get it!!

Also please don't give me that BS. You understand how much college costs when you went VS. how much it costs now, right!!??? 400% increase. 400%. I had $26,500 in student loans upon graduating from a public state university, and my parents paid for a significant portion of it! Tell me what unskilled hourly wage job can pay that off while I'm also a full-time student. Go ahead. I'm listening. In addition, I notice your attempt to strip humanity from young people by acting like they're all losers in their mom's basement playing video games. That's not reality. It might be easier to dismiss our POV if it were reality, but it's not. It's another caricature you've been fed. Are you willing to admit that? Be nice, or I'll raise your health care costs next time I head over to the Hill!

Quote:7) Clinton was evil and everyone knew it. She was not fooling anyone and we could clearly her tell one group of people one thing and another somethng completely contradictory and when ever confronted... she answered not the question asked but the question she would liked them to have asked! typical politician. 'we' are tired of the political lies. 'we' would rather have someone say something unpopular than lie.

If you don't see that Trump has done that exact same thing, then you are blinded by partisanship, even if you are right about Clinton. He contradicts himself all the time. You won't admit this?

Quote:That is why trump is given so much forgiveness. Grab a woman by the "p" did he lie about doing it? no he said he said it, but it is locker room talk.. Meh... why? because he is a playboy billionaire not a holier than thou politician. Trump is trump, he is what the constitution writers planned for.. a citizen, not a life long career politician, but a business man who is apart of the great mass of people flaws and all to be appointed leader!

Oh, so you like your shitty human beings honest? What kind of logic is that, man? Assholes being honest about being assholes should make it easier to discard & dismiss them -- not worship them instead!

Quote:8)preservation of the US constitution as the forefathers planed it. know it or not on the left there is a huge movement to stifle free speech freedom of religion and the right to bear arms. with a "dim in office the supreme court was to empty out for fresh blood on the "dims' side (albeit they justices are supposed to be neutral) Clinton vowed to fill the court who saw the constitution as a 'living document.' Trump vowed and has made choices to the bench that maintains the constitution and bill of rights as they where originally written.

Can you imagine using a document from the 18th century to dictate law in a world that is virtually unrecognizable compared to when it was written? Don't you think that's a little silly? Imagine if we hadn't updated any laws in regards to technology since 1980. It'd be a little stupid, wouldn't it?

Quote:10) trump ties us to our proud past or the parts of our past we can be proud of rather than shaming everyamerican for every sin our forbearers made. we are the hard working calluses hands sore sun burned back of this country and we will not be told what is right by people who put men in dresses in the same bathroom as a little girl. Again not that we have to hate that broken man, but at the same time we do not have to put our children and wives in danger for the sake of people who want to pretend there is nothing at all wrong with this. We are tired of the nut bags telling common sense folk what is right and what is wrong. Again common sense people don't have to hate anyone. that is what nut baggers do (if it is not the same hate it/make them feel unwelcome and not part of the club) however at the same time if you do not want to play by society's rules then you also should remove the expectations of polite society.

Your daughters and wives are far more likely to be sexually assaulted or raped by a blood-related family member. There has never been a reported case of a trans person committing assault in the public restroom... . How does that make you feel?

(June 12, 2019 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: In truth, it is better for his base to let trump be trump because we have a sense of where he is coming from than allow a known habitual lying politician put on a well respected but pretend persona, and wreak havoc behind the curtains.

So, the spin will always allow for Trump's lies to be okay?  
We have a sense of where he's coming from...the depths of that swamp he promised to drain.