(July 31, 2019 at 11:49 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Hence his hysterical post:

Quote: I literally came up with an example of a machine that will never stop working with no addition of fuel

Not sure how you're going to get around this one Drich

"Never stop working with no addition of fuel". That's quite explicit isn't it.

(July 31, 2019 at 11:39 am)Drich Wrote: 7) then someone said something about a PMM and I felt challenged to come up with one

8) so I looked up the definition to define the parameters of my build and it's scope.. So i googled Perpetual motion and when you do you get this from google:
Dictionary
per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

1. a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
   "the planet is in perpetual motion"
   
   • the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
     "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
     
     

Thank you for confirming my suspicion.

Before googling, you had no idea what ppms are all about. Everybody else however had.
After googling you still didnt figure that the qualifier for ppm is not to run forever but to "do work indefinitely without an energy source", and that "This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.". At this point your quest could and should have stopped and the topic finished.

But no

you went along making shit up, without having the slightest clue*.

Your grandiosity shows when you thought that you could end the "age old quest for the secret of perpetual motion" by thinking hard for a few minutes and make up a bad geothermal plant. Its the hallmark of the uneducated to think they are smarter than everybody else who ever thought about a certain problem for the past thousand years.

You know, when i went to university i constantly tried to disprove my professors, because i thought i was so smart, and because i wanted to show it to everyone. It took me several semesters and lots of humble pie to finally shut the fuck up and listen and learn and acknowledge that these guys are way smarter than i was. I decided its more wise to first learn everything, really, really understand, and then come back and point out flaws in Newtons or Einsteins theories, but guess what: i found nothing and it all fits together.

And thats why i know you never saw a university from the inside, and thats why i can predict you, and thats why i know that unless you eat a bit of humble pie and fucking listen to get some education before you start to criticize some established science, as long as you dont realize that....you will be stuck in stupid, perpetually.

...and that, my friend, is not an attempt to attack or insult you but some fucking good advice you better think about twice.

*and you didnt listen when i told you exactly that: an (attempted) ppm will viloate the 1s, 2nd or both laws of thermodynamics.

(July 31, 2019 at 10:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: "Truce" is about war, not logic.

indeed. So what do you think was the reason 2/3 of the christians leaving here was all about if not a suspension of logic and a declaration of all out war on them via personal attack?

Go back and read my initial thread "so what happened"? This demonstrates logic has been suspended for a personal war waged often time by multiple atheist bullies against one christian and it does not matter who that christian was/is they are personally and verbally brutalized till they want nothing to do with theis website anymore.

My call to a terms was an attempt to bring the more logical to terms or open their eyes to what they have become. Right now a it sits I am more aligned with scientific fact and logic than any of the ad hoc responders that I have been bombarded by.

Quote:The world does not need more war.

agree.

Quote:But sorry Drich, I won't shy away from anyone of any religion making claims based on old mythology. I have no desire to have anyone arrested because I think they don't need religion. And I certainly welcome any non violent individual into my community, but that does not mean I am obligated to accept old claims and never challenge them.

fine sentiment... show me the last time logic and reason was employed to do what you have described here... These are all great talking points but it does not seem that you all know how to apply them as far as I and those who were chased out have seen.

Quote:I can value the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, Ann Frank, and Malala, and disagree with where any of them would claim our species behaviors come from. I love my late mother who was a Catholic and died a Catholic, but she knew my position, she knew I argued that she didn't need her religion. 

what about catholic lady neo scholastic A-theist or any of the others that are gone because of the lack of the respect you would offer strangers. There was a bevy of topic these guys would get into and it always seemed to end the same way.

Quote:You piss me off Drich, but unless you were physically assaulting me, or passing laws to have me arrested, I still would not leave you bleeding in the streets if you got into a car accident. 

That's funny I see almost all of you like lost brothers, and would do anything in my power to help you find your way home. yes I get angry but that never lasts beyond the paragraph i responded to.

Quote:I also think Malala got it wrong. Islam isn't the source for female rights, anymore than Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism. I value human empathy, like that of Sammy Davis Jr. I hate warmongers like Trump and Bibi. I could care what one's religion is.

Rights... are an illusion, they are the chains that bind you to a specific society. You talk about rights, when there is freedom to be had. Slaves had rights in mst instances. Dogs have rights. prisoners have rights.. Men and women alike where made free by God. yet we elect to bind ourselves with morality and 'rights' to serve society as if we where it's slave.

Thanks but no thanks I think i will stick the freedom found in God.

Quote:I can accept that religion exists, and to greater or lesser degrees it always will. But my fellow humans need to STOP coddling religion and stop being afraid to change when better data comes in.

again this whole last thread was about "You good people" ignoring proven scientific data in favor for the faith you had in what you wanted to believe.

So don't pretend to presume you have a lock on facts and are not as corrupt by faith as the religious. The fact that the discussion whether they be religious or even political has devolved into a who is the loudest hater contest proves facts are taking a back burner with most of you all.

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(July 31, 2019 at 12:22 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 10:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: "Truce" is about war, not logic.

indeed. So what do you think was the reason 2/3 of the christians leaving here was all about if not a suspension of logic and a declaration of all out war on them via personal attack?

Go back and read my initial thread "so what happened"? This demonstrates logic has been suspended for a personal war waged often time by multiple atheist bullies against one christian and it does not matter who that christian was/is they are personally and verbally brutalized till they want nothing to do with theis website anymore.

My call to a terms was an attempt to bring the more logical to terms or open their eyes to what they have become. Right now a it sits I am more aligned with scientific fact and logic than any of the ad hoc responders that I have been bombarded by.

Quote:The world does not need more war.

agree.

Quote:But sorry Drich, I won't shy away from anyone of any religion making claims based on old mythology. I have no desire to have anyone arrested because I think they don't need religion. And I certainly welcome any non violent individual into my community, but that does not mean I am obligated to accept old claims and never challenge them.

fine sentiment... show me the last time logic and reason was employed to do what you have described here... These are all great talking points but it does not seem that you all know how to apply them as far as I and those who were chased out have seen.

Quote:I can value the likes of Martin Luther King Jr, Ann Frank, and Malala, and disagree with where any of them would claim our species behaviors come from. I love my late mother who was a Catholic and died a Catholic, but she knew my position, she knew I argued that she didn't need her religion. 

what about catholic lady neo scholastic A-theist or any of the others that are gone because of the lack of the respect you would offer strangers. There was a bevy of topic these guys would get into and it always seemed to end the same way.

Quote:You piss me off Drich, but unless you were physically assaulting me, or passing laws to have me arrested, I still would not leave you bleeding in the streets if you got into a car accident. 

That's funny I see almost all of you like lost brothers, and would do anything in my power to help you find your way home. yes I get angry but that never lasts beyond the paragraph i responded to.

Quote:I also think Malala got it wrong. Islam isn't the source for female rights, anymore than Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism. I value human empathy, like that of Sammy Davis Jr. I hate warmongers like Trump and Bibi. I could care what one's religion is.

Rights... are an illusion, they are the chains that bind you to a specific society. You talk about rights, when there is freedom to be had. Slaves had rights in mst instances. Dogs have rights. prisoners have rights.. Men and women alike where made free by God. yet we elect to bind ourselves with morality and 'rights' to serve society as if we where it's slave.

Thanks but no thanks I think i will stick the freedom found in God.

Quote:I can accept that religion exists, and to greater or lesser degrees it always will. But my fellow humans need to STOP coddling religion and stop being afraid to change when better data comes in.

again this whole last thread was about "You good people" ignoring proven scientific data in favor for the faith you had in what you wanted to believe.

So don't pretend to presume you have a lock on facts and are not as corrupt by faith as the religious. The fact that the discussion whether they be religious or even political has devolved into a who is the loudest hater contest proves facts are taking a back burner with most of you all.

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"Faith" and "belief" are matters of opinion.

Facts however, don't give a shit what your opinion is.

If "faith" and "belief" constituted fact then Allah, and Yahweh, Buddha, Vishnu and Thor would all be true claims all at the same time.

(July 31, 2019 at 11:01 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 10:43 am)Mathilda Wrote: Then it isn't a perpetual motion machine is it ...




You're the one who called it a perpetual motion machine. It was everyone else that disputed it. Are you now saying that you were wrong? If so discussion over. You've conceded our point.

@Drich

We do not have "faith". "Faith" is the illogical position, that inquiry and curiosity is less important than wishful thinking.

If "faith" was all there was to our species existence, our species never would have left the caves. Doubting and questioning is why we have modern technology, modern medicine, a modern understanding of biology, our planet and the universe. We have a modern understanding because humans dared to question social norms.

post 77 is an example of the manifestation of the brand of faith atheist have... it is faith in them selves and a faith that says they always know better than a christian and it is a faith that ignores a dozen links to imperial facts that can not be argued or dismissed because someone thinks i am a poopy head.

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(July 31, 2019 at 11:43 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Perpetual shitposting.

noice..
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(July 31, 2019 at 11:49 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 11:02 am)Mathilda Wrote: Let's review what you were claiming Drich. Admittedly you did say "So in a sense" ... but even being this generous, absolutely everything  else was wrong.

You claimed it would last until the components wore out 100K years from now.

You claimed it provides free nuclear power.

You claimed it did not use fuel.

Plus the hilarious claim about tear and wear.

Ill tell you what happened:
until ca. #134 he believed a perpetual motion machine just needs to "run forever", and i bet he thought geothermal energy would be the solution, because, it will last so long, almost forever. . He didn tknow that being fueled forom the outside disqualifies his machine from being a perpetual motion machine, and he didnt realize that forever is literally for-fucking-ever. He didnt (and still doesnt) know shit about thermal thermodynamics. Hence his hysterical post:

Quote:come on boring you... You know I am not subject to your personal definitions... In the REAL definition of a perpetual motion machine the energy does 'have to go back into the hole.) That is you trying to move the goal posts so you do not have to admit that I literally came up with an example of a machine that will never stop working with no addition of fuel or material loss out side of wear and tear. Don't look now but that is the literal definition, and not your personal take.

per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

1. a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
   "the planet is in perpetual motion"
   
   • the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
     "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
     
     
     

do you see the second definition? 

This is me in a 2 min window providing you and the rest of the world with a machine that would technically run forever.

Until #153, he definitely (still) believed that wear and tear are excluded in the energy balance, yet wear and tear is the main problem for any (real) attempt of a (real) perpetual motion machine (not the bullshit-normal-machine being externally fueled like the engine of my car, which also has been explained ot him multiple times). Any machine with wear and tear can not, fundamentally not, be a perpetual motion machine (like any maching being fueled from the outside of the boundaries of its closed system). It definitely has escaped him until #153

Quote:and i do not think you understand the definition of perpetual motion machine.. even after I posted it.

wear and tear would consume the machine before the radiation of the core would stop producing enough heat to cause a fuel failure.

Meaning core fails with in 10 years all life ends, yet the machine will continue on till the bearing fails, or a pipe develops a leak or a rubber oring cracks and fails or 1000 other wear and tear things happens... which again is included in the defination.

Meaning the definition of perpetual motion machine makes allowances for wear and tear. which again will hapen long long before the machine runs out of fuel/heat.

He is an idiot with delusions of grandeur. He is making up shit as he goes along and thinks we are just as stupid and wont notice. Well, i got bad news for him.....

again... you win if you think the post is about the machine.. you have exceed my ad nauseum quota. what else do you want? I can not effectively communicate with you nor am I able to break your current train of thinking. you think you are right and will twist everything I say to make yourself right. even the fact that the whole machine discussion was a farce to talk about how you discuss things.

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(July 31, 2019 at 12:32 pm)Drich Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 11:01 am)Brian37 Wrote: @Drich

We do not have "faith". "Faith" is the illogical position, that inquiry and curiosity is less important than wishful thinking.

If "faith" was all there was to our species existence, our species never would have left the caves. Doubting and questioning is why we have modern technology, modern medicine, a modern understanding of biology, our planet and the universe. We have a modern understanding because humans dared to question social norms.

post 77 is an example of the manifestation of the brand of faith atheist have... it is faith in them selves and a faith that says they always know better than a christian and it is a faith that ignores a dozen links to imperial facts that can not be argued or dismissed because someone thinks i am a poopy head.

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(July 31, 2019 at 11:43 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Perpetual shitposting.

noice..
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Since faith in god exist only in humans and depends on human faith in his own ability to judge the value of this notional faith in god, it is in principle impossible for you to do any better than atheists in this regard, only worse,    Your moronically conceited moron you.

(July 31, 2019 at 11:56 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 11:49 am)Deesse23 Wrote: Hence his hysterical post:

Not sure how you're going to get around this one Drich

"Never stop working with no addition of fuel". That's quite explicit isn't it.

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/əˈdiSH(ə)n/
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noun

1. 1.
   the action or process of adding something to something else.
   "the hotel has been extended with the addition of more rooms"
   synonyms:
   inclusion, adding, adding in, incorporation, introduction, insertion
   "the soil is greatly improved by the addition of compost"
   

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What basic comprehension dictates in this statement is that the machine does not require any additional fuel source than what it is already built with. meaning the fuel source is the 7.5 mile hole and the close loop steam circuit where steam from water or coolant is reused over and over indefinitely.

not so hard to over come IF you read everything on page.

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Back to being wrong about perpetual motion machines, then. Keep fucking that chicken, I guess?

Everything Drich post makes sense now.

Drich believes physics, but not spelling and, oh, say, diction, is best learned using a dictionary.

(July 31, 2019 at 12:09 pm)Deesse23 Wrote:

(July 31, 2019 at 11:39 am)Drich Wrote: 7) then someone said something about a PMM and I felt challenged to come up with one

8) so I looked up the definition to define the parameters of my build and it's scope.. So i googled Perpetual motion and when you do you get this from google:
Dictionary
per·pet·u·al mo·tion
/pərˈpeCH(əw)əl ˈmōSHən/
noun

1. a state in which movement or action is or appears to be continuous and unceasing.
   "the planet is in perpetual motion"
   
   • the motion of a hypothetical machine which, once activated, would run forever unless subject to an external force or to wear.
     "the age-old quest for the secret of perpetual motion"
     
     

Thank you for confirming my suspicion.

Before googling, you had no idea what ppms are all about. Everybody else however had.
After googling you still didnt figure that the qualifier for ppm is not to run forever but to "do work indefinitely without an energy source", and that "This kind of machine is impossible, as it would violate the first or second law of thermodynamics.". At this point your quest could and should have stopped and the topic finished.

But no

you went along making shit up, without having the slightest clue*.

Your grandiosity shows when you thought that you could end the "age old quest for the secret of perpetual motion" by thinking hard for a few minutes and make up a bad geothermal plant. Its the hallmark of the uneducated to think they are smarter than everybody else who ever thought about a certain problem for the past thousand years.

You know, when i went to university i constantly tried to disprove my professors, because i thought i was so smart, and because i wanted to show it to everyone. It took me several semesters and lots of humble pie to finally shut the fuck up and listen and learn and acknowledge that these guys are way smarter than i was. I decided its more wise to first learn everything, really, really understand, and then come back and point out flaws in Newtons or Einsteins theories, but guess what: i found nothing and it all fits together.

And thats why i know you never saw a university from the inside, and thats why i can predict you, and thats why i know that unless you eat a bit of humble pie and fucking listen to get some education before you start to criticize some established science, as long as you dont realize that....you will be stuck in stupid, perpetually.

...and that, my friend, is not an attempt to attack or insult you but some fucking good advice you better think about twice.

*and you didnt listen when i told you exactly that: an (attempted) ppm will viloate the 1s, 2nd or both laws of thermodynamics.

This is where you are wrong. again I look up everything so as not to taint what i say with personal bias. Something every one of you is ALWAYS guilty of.

For example I say the word slave and you all automatically do not think of the word slave as the definition intends.. You assume the word being used is chattel slavery. most of you don't even know what chattel slavery is only the word slave has taken that meaning because people like yourself reappropriate this word and do not understand the full meaning rather you assign meaning and built a world view on top of it.

 Then because I am well verses in truth and in fact I could make a statement that life on modern earth would not be possible by slaves. and we all use slaves directly in our lives at some point every day..

Now, to me before I make a statement like that I will look up the word to define what I can and can not include in that list. 
slave
 noun
\ ˈslāv [/url] \
Definition of slave
 (Entry 1 of 4)
1: a person held in servitude as the chattel of another

2: one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence

3: a device (such as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another

4: [url=https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drudge]DRUDG

Ever driven a car? ever rode the bus? ever use a printer or computer? then you are guilty of using a slave.

While this is an appropriate use of the word, it is not the inbox thinking you are use to.

I look up everything because On my own I know I am not an authority, so I align my knowledge with that of an indisputable source. this also allows me to come in at an angle not common with rank infile thinkers... I often times give you a different perspective on the same idea.

That is all I did here with the PMM. I took an exist thing and striped it of it's need for a replenishing fuel source. Just to point out the ad hoc tactics you are still trying to employ because you just now figured out what everything has been about for 10 days now.. and like I said in the out line, you are pushing back like the smart guys did on day 5.

(I did not insult his intelligence I only complimented his peers to coming to a conclusion 5 day before he did)

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