https://valerietarico.com/2019/01/24/the...-same-way/

Great article.

Give it a read.

Yeah, honestly, I feel the same way a lot of the time. Granted, I’m usually far more sympathetic to the concerns of the “woke” than the fundies, but I’m painfully aware that a lot of us are hung up on vastly oversimplified concepts (an overreliance on the Power Plus Prejudice Paradigm being one of them) and many are so obnoxious about it that I strongly suspect many of the new generation of literal Nazis would consider exposure to them (even if it’s just in viral videos and twitter posts they didn’t actually interact with) as the stick that pushed them off the path of basic human decency. And an over reliance on black and white thinking, the kind that I saw my mother fall into while watching Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN, seeing her slowly turn into the crippled old writer from ACO over her righteous hate even of the degenerate sex criminals and murderers they railed over in their Two Hours’ Hate, really frustrates me to no end.

It’s enough that I’d seriously consider moving to the right... if they weren’t objectively worse, that is.

(October 11, 2019 at 11:54 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Yeah, honestly, I feel the same way a lot of the time. Granted, I’m usually far more sympathetic to the concerns of the “woke” than the fundies, but I’m painfully aware that a lot of us are hung up on vastly oversimplified concepts (an overreliance on the Power Plus Prejudice Paradigm being one of them) and many are so obnoxious about it that I strongly suspect many of the new generation of literal Nazis would consider exposure to them (even if it’s just in viral videos and twitter posts they didn’t actually interact with) as the stick that pushed them off the path of basic human decency. And an over reliance on black and white thinking, the kind that I saw my mother fall into while watching Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN, seeing her slowly turn into the crippled old writer from ACO over her righteous hate even of the degenerate sex criminals and murderers they railed over in their Two Hours’ Hate, really frustrates me to no end.

It’s enough that I’d seriously consider moving to the right... if they weren’t objectively worse, that is.

I hear ya. I can't say that these types on the left have really moved me any farther right than I already was... as in, I've never been on the right. I've been a progressive liberal so far as I can remember. I was always confused as a child when people would bash on gay people or other folks who didn't conform to "traditional lifestyles."

I definitely don't ever see myself identifying as a conservative... though I suppose I probably hold some conservative beliefs... but therein lies the problem. "If you hold one conservative belief, you're on the wrong team and deserve to be shamed!"

It's that type of thinking I have an issue with. You can be 99.99% liberal, if we can quantify it that way for the sake of the point, but be pro-life instead of pro-choice (I'm pro-choice btw) and be labeled a misogynistic Nazi piece of shit... instead of maybe just being misinformed or simply having a differing opinion on that one issue.

And really, it does no good for the left. I think a lot of these people believe that if we all dig our heels in the dirt just like the conservatives do, we'll make headway... but we aren't. We've been digging our heels in the dirt. What did the repubs say? Fuck you, here's Trump.

Don't like Trump? Fuck you, here's another four years.

Green New Deal? Fuck you, I'm buying a hummer.

Are they (the conservatives) idiots for behaving this way? Yeah. Of course. No question.

But I simply don't think doubling down and drawing a line in the sand is gonna' work. It hasn't so far.

I'm not reading this.
I'm going to google the author instead and see what dirt I can dig up.

(October 12, 2019 at 4:54 am)Little lunch Wrote: I'm not reading this.
I'm going to google the author instead and see what dirt I can dig up.

So, anything?

IRL I haven't spent any time interacting with individuals using "woke" terminology, plenty of time with the righteous.

Just yesterday, after identifying as an atheist in a group, a woman came up to me and said "all things shall be revealed to you". With a smirk I responded "when?".

I used to post alot online and talk politics. I rarely do anymore because people have gotten so extreme, so angry, so hostile, so toxic.

disagree even slightly on one issue and it feels like half the country thinks you're a nazi while the other half thinks you're a communist. when you're in the center it feels like everybody hates you.

The way things are I often feel like I'm alone in a world gone mad. this thread is proof to the contrary. there's still plenty of us traditional liberals who aren't down with the right but also not part of this new preening self righteous cancel culture purist woke cult springing up on the left that reminds me of the self righteous church ladies I grew up with always finger wagging and pointing out your sins.

There's still plenty of sane people out there. its just that the loudest get all the attention these days. and makes it feel like they're more numerous than they are.

so I felt it was important to make one of my now rare online posts to say to the exhausted majority, you're not alone. (and that's in reference to this (see the link below) which proves this.

https://hiddentribes.us/

(October 12, 2019 at 4:54 am)Little lunch Wrote: I'm not reading this.
I'm going to google the author instead and see what dirt I can dig up.

What'd ya find

Can I ask why you refuse to read the article?

(October 12, 2019 at 2:00 pm)Hillbillyatheist Wrote: I used to post alot online and talk politics. I rarely do anymore because people have gotten so extreme, so angry, so hostile, so toxic.

disagree even slightly on one issue and it feels like half the country thinks you're a nazi while the other half thinks you're a communist.  when you're in the center it feels like everybody hates you.  

The way things are I often feel like I'm alone in a world gone mad. this thread is proof to the contrary. there's still plenty of us traditional liberals who aren't down with the right but also not part of this new preening self righteous cancel culture purist woke cult springing up on the left that reminds me of the self righteous church ladies I grew up with always finger wagging and pointing out your sins.  

There's still plenty of sane people out there. its just that the loudest get all the attention these days. and makes it feel like they're more numerous than they are.  

so I felt it was important to make one of my now rare online posts to say to the exhausted majority, you're not alone.  (and that's in reference to this (see the link below) which proves this.

https://hiddentribes.us/

It's a sad state of affairs. Especially like when certain individuals above like the one I quoted will openly admit that they won't even read a piece of someone's work; I assume this is because they first want to know if the author is "on the correct side."

It's insanity. I won't read your message, even if it's a factually accurate, logically coherent message, unless I know you play for the correct team!

Fortunately, I think what you're saying is true... these types of people do not make up the majority of liberals, they just yell loudly and make a lot of noise.

(October 12, 2019 at 11:26 am)brewer Wrote: IRL I haven't spent any time interacting with individuals using "woke" terminology, plenty of time with the righteous.

Just yesterday, after identifying as an atheist in a group, a woman came up to me and said "all things shall be revealed to you". With a smirk I responded "when?".

Another reason why, as much as I hate the jackasstic fringes of the left, I consider them the lesser of the two evils.

(October 12, 2019 at 10:15 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(October 12, 2019 at 4:54 am)Little lunch Wrote: I'm not reading this.
I'm going to google the author instead and see what dirt I can dig up.

So, anything?

Nah, I was just kidding.
I agree with the author but I think people need to be careful.
I believe that a lot of people who are so called righteous and woke will just switch sides and be part of the new group that's calling out that bullshit.
The sad fact is that there are millions of people sitting at home, alone, behind computer screens, willing to follow the opinion of whoever has the most kudos or the least negative comments or whatever.
They will flow like water into the next brand of 'this is what you need to think to not be a monster' thought.