(December 6, 2019 at 8:57 am)Nomad Wrote:

(December 4, 2019 at 2:35 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Imperfections are explained away in the Bible.

How does a perfect being create imperfection?

*Aaaa-HEM*

I'm still waiting.

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(December 8, 2019 at 6:30 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: When one is dealt a bridge hand of thirteen cards, the probability of being dealt that particular hand (whatever cards it is comprised of) is less than one in 600 billion. Still, it would be absurd for someone to be dealt a hand, examine it carefully, calculate that the probability of getting it is less than one in 600 billion, and then conclude that he must not have been dealt that very hand because it is so very improbable.

But you are going one step further, you are getting a perfect bridge hand, 13 cards of all the same suite, and placing special importance on it, because it was predesignated as a perfect hand by the rules of the game. But here's the fact, getting a perfect bridge hand, has no greater odds than a hand with just a bunch of random cards of all different suits. In bridge, the perfect hand has so much importance, because it is defined that way. You are doing the same thing with us.

Actually in most cases getting a specific hand in bridge could be quite a lot lower than random chance would dictate. And that is because people don't shuffle cards correctly*. So after a few games you could see the order of cards approaching that of a perfect hand (assuming you have vision on everybody's hand) for one of the four players, because the cards are being sorted in between games rather than being shuffled cutting out a lot of the randomness from the deck.

*That's because most people do the overhand shuffle rather than the riffle shuffle. Riffle shuffling takes about seven shuffles to randomise a deck, overhand shuffling takes a lot longer, and can go for as much as ten thousand shuffles before achieving randomisation. If you're not good at the riffle, smushing is much better for randomisation.

Here's a video:

Dogon story of creation also explains faulty DNA: first humans were set of twins and one got born too early which made him imperfect.

(December 9, 2019 at 4:50 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Simon Moon, how boring.

The only requirement to converse in any subject is a brain not a PhD. If you're not interested in these conversations, at the very least let those that are continue to participate.

If you'd like, I'll forward you the PDFs for my university's biology and genetics textbooks. I look forward to hearing from you when you feel more qualified.

Is that the best you got? Boring?

An expert in the field is much better to explain the field in question, than a very intelligent person with no expertise in the subject.

I have pretty advanced knowledge of routers and switches, and networking in general. It is what I do for a living, and have trained for it. Why would I expect a non brain dead person to understand a fraction of what I know? No matter how much expertise they have in other subjects?

The problem is, that humans live our lives by inference and induction, and it almost always works. After all, today is very similar to yesterday, so our inferences tend to consistently work. Until they don't. We are so enthralled with our abilities, that we try to continue to use inference and induction in areas where it does not work. Like physics, for example.

And by the way, I was a bio major many years ago, before I switched to electronics and computer sci. So, I can remember a bit.

And of course I am 'interested in these conversations', that's why I am here.

(December 2, 2019 at 9:57 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Are any atheists curious at the hand and glove fitting between Dna code creation and the translation mechanics? Where else in Nature exists instructions being formed,transcribed and translated? In other words, what codes exist in nature without an intelligent agent? The code is represented by the arbitrary order of nucleotides , not the laws of chemistry.

I'm not understanding exactly what it is that you're asking. Do you somehow see DNA as proof of god?

(December 9, 2019 at 8:23 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(December 9, 2019 at 4:50 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Simon Moon, how boring.

The only requirement to converse in any subject is a brain not a PhD. If you're not interested in these conversations, at the very least let those that are continue to participate.

If you'd like, I'll forward you the PDFs for my university's biology and genetics textbooks. I look forward to hearing from you when you feel more qualified.

Is that the best you got? Boring?

An expert in the field is much better to explain the field in question, than a very intelligent person with no expertise in the subject.

I have pretty advanced knowledge of routers and switches, and networking in general. It is what I do for a living, and have trained for it. Why would I expect a non brain dead person to understand a fraction of what I know? No matter how much expertise they have in other subjects?

The problem is, that humans live our lives by inference and induction, and it almost always works. After all, today is very similar to yesterday, so our inferences tend to consistently work. Until they don't. We are so enthralled with our abilities, that we try to continue to use inference and induction in areas where it does not work. Like physics, for example.

And by the way, I was a bio major many years ago, before I switched to electronics and computer sci. So, I can remember a bit.

And of course I am 'interested in these conversations', that's why I am here.

Indeed.

I have found that if one stands up and offers the console to one of those sneering persons who thinks that one is over-complicating matters to pad one's income, they quickly back off. "You think you know better than me how to sort your problem? Then why did you call me? You go ahead and fix it since you apparently know more than me."  

Much Harumphing ensues.

Imperfections are explained away in the Bible.
How does a perfect being create imperfection?
*Aaaa-HEM*. I'm still waiting.”

Can a perfect being create anything he wants? Can he create any type of scenario to let it play out? Or must He follow your notions?

(December 10, 2019 at 12:30 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Imperfections are explained away in the Bible.
How does a perfect being create imperfection?
*Aaaa-HEM*. I'm still waiting.”

Can a perfect being create anything he wants? Can he create any type of scenario to let it play out? Or must  He follow your notions?

FSM weaps at your trash-tier trolling Jackie.

(December 10, 2019 at 12:30 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: Imperfections are explained away in the Bible.

Really and how exactly? Is it because Eve ate from the wrong tree because that is no explanation.

(December 10, 2019 at 12:30 pm)Yukon_Jack Wrote: ...Can a perfect being create anything he wants? Can he create any type of scenario to let it play out? Or must  He follow your notions?

A perfect being has perfect knowledge. So why create a scenario when you know the end result of said scenario?

I’ve deciphered the code in DNA.

It says “made in China”.

Was disappointed.