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The code that is DNA
RE: The code that is DNA
Quote:That is rich, let the record show that Sungula accused Tour of a straw man and most likely didn’t even hear what Tour had to say.
No let the record (if we keep records ) that i stated the fact that Tour has straw manned and i stand by that statement ,And yes i have heard all of Tours lies i need to. So that's that and what's  rich you think you have scored some kind of victory here .

Quote:You folks hold Sungula in good regard?
Well with one exception i have yet to see much negative regard  .I would imagine i'm held in higher regard then you .
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RE: The code that is DNA
Set the bar higher for yourself sun, I hold higher regard for the first deuce I dropped then Mr. Potato Head.
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 18, 2019 at 8:54 pm)no one Wrote: Set the bar higher for yourself sun, I hold higher regard for the first deuce I dropped then Mr. Potato Head.
I suppose your right
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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 18, 2019 at 6:07 pm)Rahn127 Wrote:
(December 18, 2019 at 4:59 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: In the absence of known ancestry, relatedness is always an assumption. Homoplasy (such as convergence or reversals) often breaks with this assumption because trait or genetic similarity is not a true indicator of relatedness. (Wake, et al., 2011). Phylogenies are indeed hypotheses (though I disagree they're testable); they attempt to predict various ways in which the relatedness assumption could have played out.

Reference: Wake, D. B., M. H. Wake, and C. D. Specht. 2011. Homoplasy: From detecting pattern to determining process and mechanism of evolution. Science 331: 1032–1035.

Again I'll ask, "Do you know where babies come from ?"

It really is that simple.  You have to wonder about the religion a person is saddling themselves with when they need to find ways to reject heredity on principle, in order to maintain their faith.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 18, 2019 at 12:59 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:
(December 18, 2019 at 12:56 pm)no one Wrote: The wizardry of fantasy is significantly more authentic and compelling than any advanced scientific capacity.

Now I’m picturing god dancing around with a magic wand creating the world while singing “bibbity bobbity boo.”

No I'm still picturing a god with obsessions for beetles and wheels and a realisation that the cockroach is the highest form of life.
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RE: The code that is DNA
Set the bar high on your ability to discern fantasy from fiction, not on your ability to be gullible.
RE: The code that is DNA
Heres another q for our creationists. What value does creationism have for christianity, as you see it? Does it actually matter whether genesis got it right or wrong?

If, for example, genesis got it wrong..and genetics got it right.......would that then mean christ didn't die on the cross for your sins?

Is a bumbling and inept tinkergod central to christianity, or is christ? Is it possible that the religion of the bumbling and inept tinkergod is harming the religion of christ? If so, what process or justification or belief leads a person to maintaining the former at the expense of the latter while referring to themselves..at least nominally, as "christian"?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: The code that is DNA
(December 18, 2019 at 4:59 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(December 18, 2019 at 9:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Are we confusing 'assumptions' and 'testable hypotheses' again? Like we can't compare organisms that we KNOW are related because we bred them to learn how to use genomes to measure relatedness? I think a confirmed hypothesis is way more reliable than an assumption.

In the absence of known ancestry, relatedness is always an assumption. Homoplasy (such as convergence or reversals) often breaks with this assumption because trait or genetic similarity is not a true indicator of relatedness. (Wake, et al., 2011). Phylogenies are indeed hypotheses (though I disagree they're testable); they attempt to predict various ways in which the relatedness assumption could have played out.

Reference: Wake, D. B., M. H. Wake, and C. D. Specht. 2011. Homoplasy: From detecting pattern to determining process and mechanism of evolution. Science 331: 1032–1035.

Are you familiar with endogenous retroviruses? And the difference between assumption and inference?

Assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

Inference: a conclusion reached on the basis of evidence and reasoning.

Homoplasy, in biology and phylogenetics, is when a trait has been gained or lost independently in separate lineages over the course of evolution. This is different from homology, which is the similarity of traits can be parsimoniously explained by common ancestry.
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RE: The code that is DNA
(December 19, 2019 at 11:12 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Are you familiar with endogenous retroviruses? And the difference between assumption and inference?

Homoplasy, in biology and phylogenetics, is when a trait has been gained or lost independently in separate lineages over the course of evolution. This is different from homology, which is the similarity of traits can be parsimoniously explained by common ancestry.

I'm lightly familiar with retroviruses; what about them should I take into consideration?

Yes, homology is the general assumption made when two organism share similar traits or genotypes. Only once that assumption leads you up a garden path, and oddities and inconsistencies begin to emerge, can homoplasy be identified. That's the only reason why homplasy is "challenging" to phylogeny, because they remind you that you are chasing an assumption not an inference.

Even parsimony, which you yourself mentioned in your description, is full of assumptions that are not always met (see Felsenstein, 1983).

Reference: Felsenstein, J. 1983. Parsimony in systematics: Biological and statistical issues. Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics 14: 313–333.
RE: The code that is DNA
There is no scientific explanation for different species having the same endogenous retroviruses other than common descent.

Are you incapable of using the word 'assumption' correctly?
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