(May 5, 2021 at 11:06 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(May 5, 2021 at 2:12 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: I think that in cases like this, Heinlein's Razor should apply: "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

I believe that's Hanlon's razor.

Yes, the name Hanlon has been attributed to the law in recent years, but whoever Hanlon was, Heinlein almost certainly did it before him (and in any case, I actually used Heinlein’s specific wording) and the Hanlon’s Razor entry in the Jargon File, which helped popularize the name, even speculates the name may have been a corruption of Heinlein. I am using this particular name advisedly.

(May 5, 2021 at 11:18 am)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(May 5, 2021 at 11:06 am)Angrboda Wrote: I believe that's Hanlon's razor.

Yes, the name Hanlon has been attributed to the law in recent years, but whoever Hanlon was, Heinlein almost certainly did it before him (and in any case, I actually used Heinlein’s specific wording) and the Hanlon’s Razor entry in the Jargon File, which helped popularize the name, even speculates the name may have been a corruption of Heinlein. I am using this particular name advisedly.

I stand corrected. I think I'll continue to refer to the classic formulation as Hanlon's, but I thank you for the information.

(May 5, 2021 at 1:29 am)Eleven Wrote:

1 you mean the vaccine trump initiated and put into mass production and had purchased 400 million doses, then put in the US military and enlisted local governments to distribute? google operation warp speed if you want to know facts.

2 trump not only provided stimulus checks he also provided ppe for small business. and even initiated this second check and another round of ppe that congress is just now getting around to distributing. so again another trump era policy being initiated under biden. 

3 Define infrastructure.. and provide a citation to those jobs being filled. because when i search all i find is a promise to raise taxes to provide those jobs... none have been created yet just political promises.

4 uhhh, no. our schools reopened under trump in august 2020. it just takes states run by 'dims' longer to do things as to not give credit to trump. 

5.   alliances with whom? china and iran? what iran getting mad because the payments to them had stopped? pass. even the president of mexico likes trump better because his handling of illegals stopped the big migratory movement from central american countries through mexico.

6  if you are wear 2 masks and got the vaccine then science because your great leader tells us to, then you should not use the word science, but rather faith in propaganda.

7 if you will remember trump push for us to completely get out of the middle east before covid hit. so again anouther trump era policy biden enacted. sound to me you like trump's policies but don't know it.

8. the climate accord is a stupid tax. it taxes western countries, as no real polluters china russia india will not participate. it will change nothing but make some frenchies rich. 

9 diversity =/= quality diversity simple points to quota hires. instead the best person for the job, we need a female person of color, one that speaks this language or that, next we need to placate the lgbyt community get one of those. next we are having problems with this community get some easily manipulable shill to represent them.. or so was the sentiment from malcolm X




start at 1:20 Malcom X talks about how liberals use things like diversity quotas and integration to manipulate and control minorities. so point number 9 while propaganda has taught you to be a good thing.. in reality it is another form or racist control.

If you listen to this whole message aside from the numbers/population numbers he references Malcom X could be talking about problems today.. the reason being is those who do not know history or fully understand it/know what both sides say/claim you are doomed to repeat it. which is exactly what we are doing now.

(May 6, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: 9 diversity =/= quality diversity simple points to quota hires. instead the best person for the job, we need a female person of color, one that speaks this language or that, next we need to placate the lgbyt community get one of those. next we are having problems with this community get some easily manipulable shill to represent them.. or so was the sentiment from malcolm X

Sure, diversity can be done as virtue signalling.  It can be done with motives of manipulation (think Donald having a few token blacks behind him at speeches, or saying "Look Kanye likes me -- I must be good for black people".

But ensuring that people in actual power represent diverse segments of the population is just good for society.  Sure, Biden could just be signalling to his progressive wing, but at the end of the day, those people are still in positions of power.

The alternative is what?  Putting a bunch of white guys in power?  You could say "choose the best qualified", but political appointments are never done that way, and never will be.  Politicians don't even know who would be "best".  And, if there are a truckload of qualified people, make sure they represent the viewpoints of the actual people.

(May 6, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: 1 you mean the vaccine trump initiated and put into mass production and had purchased 400 million doses, then put in the US military and enlisted local governments to distribute? google operation warp speed if you want to know facts.

Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with putting the vaccines into production. That was a pharmaceutical company decision,
and the technology is a long term patented process, which existed already.
The group in England had been working on RNA virus vaccines for at least 10 years. (We know you know nothing about science). 
It had already begun in a number of companies back when Trump said COVID would magically disappear, and was suggesting people drink bleach to get rid of it. 
His administration, even while knowing the vaccines were about to be available, had absolutely NO PLAN to distribute them. They were incapable of making any plan about anything.
If all you can do is lie about your boy, ... no one will believe anything you say. Oh wait. They already don't.
He neither inititated nor put into mass production any vaccine. 
Get your facts straight, Jebus-boy.

Since the standard is "liar in one, liar in all" ... I'll dismiss the rest of your lies.

(May 5, 2021 at 6:35 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: 10% out and out, maybe, majority leaners.  It's been very successful.  As sungula points out, americans can believe alot of impossible things before breakfast.  As you've noticed, IA, our news stations uncritically repeat the batshit claims of contemporary white supremacy - and you don't have to be watching fox.  To the point where the majority of viewers believe it, and don't even realize that they believe the batshit claims - of contemporary white supremacy.  Those that have an inkling would be our ten percent - and you, ofc.

i think what many deem as white supremacy is the collective melting pot that makes america work. for instance when my mother migrated over she brought her mother and a few years later (after i was born)  her father they both lived with us. my mother could bearly speak english. but she saw the american standards that made up the culture and strove to integrate with it. her parents did not, rather fell into a korean sub culture. even when they went back to korea the were shat upon because they had lost their 'han' which is a communal/cultural collective suffering they endured as a nation of slaves for almost 50 years. so they lived in america not really apart of the korean culture and not american but apart of the subculture which meant unless they went to a store or a church who catered to this subculture they were not embraced by the primary culture. my mother on the other hand embraced the primary culture as best as she could and while not being accepted as white she was welcomed enough to have every single opportunity any white person could have. she had access to school grant money, and even loans to open a business, all because she accepted the primary culture and worked the system... this is true of any race. nigerians and other sub saharan african people have proved this over and over again. in fact the immigrants from nigeria are the most successful immigrants because this culture has so many programs geared towards black people. 

here lately native born americans have developed their own subculture no different than any other immigrant who come here and refuses to adopt our collective mix culture. and like all other sub cultures it is not embraced. till recently and of course by the news media and dims.. people who hold literal criminals convicted rapists and murders up as heros, because they fight and die at the hands of police. the same police who fight for the melting pot culture we all share in. 60 years ago men like malcom X and MLKJr fought to be equal with white people. today this sub culture (as not all black people are apart of it and it inculdes nut bags of all other races including bleeding heart whites) this sub culture pushes for segregation now.

Just as this sub culture is not all one race the primary culture is not of all one race. as there are millions of black hispanic asian ect who support and embrace conservative views. men and women who have no problems with each other despite what the news media has to say. so not a race thing at all. it is a sub culture vying for control over everyone is the problem. a subculture who does not want or like equality but looks to segregate and punish anyone who does not agree with it's propaganda or political views.

(May 6, 2021 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote: i think what many deem as white supremacy is the collective melting pot that makes america work. for instance when my mother migrated over she brought her mother and a few years later (after i was born)  her father they both lived with us. my mother could bearly speak english. but she saw the american standards that made up the culture and strove to integrate with it. her parents did not, rather fell into a korean sub culture. even when they went back to korea the were shat upon because they had lost their 'han' which is a communal/cultural collective suffering they endured as a nation of slaves for almost 50 years. so they lived in america not really apart of the korean culture and not american but apart of the subculture which meant unless they went to a store or a church who catered to this subculture they were not embraced by the primary culture. my mother on the other hand embraced the primary culture as best as she could and while not being accepted as white she was welcomed enough to have every single opportunity any white person could have. she had access to school grant money, and even loans to open a business, all because she accepted the primary culture and worked the system... this is true of any race. nigerians and other sub saharan african people have proved this over and over again. in fact the immigrants from nigeria are the most successful immigrants because this culture has so many programs geared towards black people. 

Or nigerians do well because they're better educated - 50/50, right?  A question arises.  Were you the victim of bad facts, or did you simply make the most ludicrous assumption on principle?  Am I supposed to connect you having gotten that last bit hilariously and thematically wrong as having something to do with the story about your family?  

Quote:here lately native born americans have developed their own subculture no different than any other immigrant who come here and refuses to adopt our collective mix culture. and like all other sub cultures it is not embraced. till recently and of course by the news media and dims.. people who hold literal criminals convicted rapists and murders up as heros, because they fight and die at the hands of police. the same police who fight for the melting pot culture we all share in. 60 years ago men like malcom X and MLKJr fought to be equal with white people. today this sub culture (as not all black people are apart of it and it inculdes nut bags of all other races including bleeding heart whites) this sub culture pushes for segregation now.

Couldn't have put it better myself.  

Quote:Just as this sub culture is not all one race the primary culture is not of all one race. as there are millions of black hispanic asian ect who support and embrace conservative views. men and women who have no problems with each other despite what the news media has to say. so not a race thing at all. it is a sub culture vying for control over everyone is the problem. a subculture who does not want or like equality but looks to segregate and punish anyone who does not agree with it's propaganda or political views.

Spot on, again.

(May 6, 2021 at 12:32 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(May 6, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: 9 diversity =/= quality diversity simple points to quota hires. instead the best person for the job, we need a female person of color, one that speaks this language or that, next we need to placate the lgbyt community get one of those. next we are having problems with this community get some easily manipulable shill to represent them.. or so was the sentiment from malcolm X

Sure, diversity can be done as virtue signalling.  It can be done with motives of manipulation (think Donald having a few token blacks behind him at speeches, or saying "Look Kanye likes me -- I must be good for black people".

it goes a little deeper than that... here i a list:https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-black-community-vernon-jones-biden
it is said he has done more for the black community than any other president in the last 60 years including obama.

Quote:But ensuring that people in actual power represent diverse segments of the population is just good for society. 

it is if they are competent and qualified. if they are not then the only reason the are they is as a show peice and a move for control.

Quote: Sure, Biden could just be signalling to his progressive wing, but at the end of the day, those people are still in positions of power.

which is my point. because if the people who are in a position of power are not the best for the job but rather they fill a quota, then they are placed in those positions as a means to infiltrate and control a given community. again this was the observations of malcolm x. are you saying malcolm x was wrong here?

Quote:The alternative is what?

hiring the best and most qualified person available no matter what color they are. if this means all white males so be it.. if this means all black males so be it. it is means all lgbtqrts 'its' so be it. why would you even have to ask that question? do you not understand how merrit works???

Quote:  Putting a bunch of white guys in power? 

understand... i'm not white and still don't care if all white men ran everything so long as they were the best at their given task. I would not care if they were all black so long as they could make the best decisions for our COLLECTIVE community.

Quote: You could say "choose the best qualified",

they were under trump.

Quote:but political appointments are never done that way, and never will be.

i agree, things will never be done this way by democrats.

Quote:  Politicians don't even know who would be "best". 

Agree again politicians can only see how decisions effect votes. but business men do know how to hire the best of the best. So do billionaires. put those two together and you will get the best of the best.

Quote:And, if there are a truckload of qualified people, make sure they represent the viewpoints of the actual people.

when you lower the bar to make sure everyone is included... yes you are right there is a truck load of qualified people. but if you raise the bar then you narrow the field and will get the best of the best.

the simple fact it's been 100 days and biden has not fired anyone... prooves his appointments are a political move and the people put in place are their to control a segment of the population. ever had a job? ever hired in or under a 90 day probationary period? ever been fired in that 90 day period? ever seen anyone fired in that 90 days? As a business owner i have fired many people in that 90 day period because they fudged on experience, or their resume was perfect but their work ethic was not.. you can't tell me every diverse name was an absolute perfect fit and are well suited to be at the top of the field in their specific vocation. Finding the best of the best is a trial and error process. you have to go through several people with no concern to race to find the best.

Drich thinks that choosing diversity is "lowering the bar".

Nope, no bigotry here.

(May 6, 2021 at 12:33 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(May 6, 2021 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote: 1 you mean the vaccine trump initiated and put into mass production and had purchased 400 million doses, then put in the US military and enlisted local governments to distribute? google operation warp speed if you want to know facts.

Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with putting the vaccines into production. That was a pharmaceutical company decision,
and the technology is a long term patented process, which existed already.

awe.. sweetheart, do you not know of the FDA, the CDC or Dr.fauci?? were you not around when fauci and every other doctor including the head doctor said it was impossible for trump's ordered vaccine would not make it to maket till 2nd or 3rd quarter 2021? which trump maintain a november/december release?
And even if trump did not order 400 million doses of the vaccine do you think the FDA would have released an virtually untested vaccine without a presidential order? FYI vaccines fast tracked take 5 years to develop this was done and distributed under a year. which was trumps last year in office. so again biden is doing nothing but riding on trump shirt tales on this one.

Quote:
The group in England had been working on RNA virus vaccines for at least 10 years. (We know you know nothing about science). 
It had already begun in a number of companies back when Trump said COVID would magically disappear, and was suggesting people drink bleach to get rid of it. 

Quote:His administration, even while knowing the vaccines were about to be available, had absolutely NO PLAN to distribute them. 

that's a fake new lie. google operation warp speed.
Operation Warp Speed (OWS) was a public-private partnership initiated by the United States government to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics. The first news report of Operation Warp Speed was on April 29, 2020, and the program was officially announced on May 15, 2020.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed

Quote:They were incapable of making any plan about anything.

leftist propaganda and out right lie.

Quote:If all you can do is lie about your boy, no one will believe anything you say. Oh wait. They already don't. ...

Let me fix that for you..
If all you can do is lie about my President, no one will believe anything you say. Oh wait. They already don't. ...

Quote:He neither inititated nor put into mass production any vaccine. 

the offical presidential order sign and initialized on may 15 2020 says otherwise sport.

Quote:Get your facts straight, Jebus-boy.

learn to seek out and to hold on to the truth stop parroting fake news.

Quote:Since the standard is "liar in one, liar in all" ... I'll dismiss the rest of your lies.

now that i have proven you wrong... are you going to take another look at the rest i had to say or put your head in the sand?