Well isn't anything that criticizes Islam immediately seen as "anti-Islamic propaganda hate" by Muslims?

(June 4, 2021 at 7:10 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 2, 2021 at 2:50 pm)viocjit Wrote: Content is mainly based on traditional Sunni views (I know Sunni Islam isn't one united block but composed of many branches like Hanbalism , Hannafism , Malikism etc... with subbranches. I know you won't find two Muslims in the world with exactly the same beliefs like in all religions in which you won't find two believers with the same beliefs) but traditional is more common than alternatives visions.

Well, these branches don't disagree on fundamental aspects of faith like God's attributes (a unique supreme being, in contrast to the doctrine of trinity, for example)  or Muhammad's status as the last prophet to humanity.. they only differ on very technical aspects of fiqh' - how the Islamic law as revealed to Muhammad should be interpreted and applied -.

(May 11, 2021 at 4:41 pm)viocjit Wrote: WikiIslam is a website that is an encyclopedia about Islam.
It is critical about this religion. Critics are based from Islamic texts and contemporary researches.
I think this site is an useful resource for those interested about Islam and want to access to a non Islamic point of view.

Link : https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

This website is nothing more than a compilation of outdated anti-Islam themes, let me save you some time and present them all:

- The Islamic prophet's actions, biography, marriages, etc.
- The killing of the Banu Qurayza (a Jewish tribe), presented in an attempt to depict Muhammad PBUH and his companions as mass murderers.
- Attempts to find scientific errors in the Qur'an [News flash : there are none]
- Attempts to find linguistic errors in the Qur'an, this is the most stupid theme imaginable, as the Qur'an is actually regarded as a reference of Arabic grammar, and the finiest text in Classical Arabic.
- Belittling supernatural elements of Islamic faith: jinns, angels, the Buraq' creature, etc.
- Attempts to find logical inconsistencies in authentic hadiths.
- Islam's views on women.
- The concept of Jihad.
- Enforcing Sharia's law against homosexuals, fornicators, apostates, etc.

All of these themes have been discussed endlessly since the dawn of Islam some fourteen centuries ago. What should be kept in mind here is that it's all mostly christian polemics, and christians never succeeded in an argument involving any of these themes because of the extremely violent injunctions found in the Old Testament, whatever they bring from the Qur'an and try to present it as unfair/violent, all one has to do is to bring a similar(or more violent) statement from their own holy book to refute their point. An atheist or an agnostic should be more concerned with the issue of the existence of God than some internal aspect of some religion. It's critical that one accepts the premise of a just God existing before moving on to evaluate organized religions.

Update: the website IS NOT based on contemporary research NOR authentic islamic references. After searching several entries in the website I found many references to the famous biography of Ibn Hisham, which includes many weak and even fabricated hadiths.

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(June 3, 2021 at 1:04 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Islam is yet another bovine superstition from antiquity that holds back human progress. Why on earth should I need some further biased interpretation of same?

If Islam inherently holds back progress, how do you explain this ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

What killed that "golden age"? There is no doubt that islam did indeed have a "golden age" of enlightenment, education, erudition and so forth. What stopped it? Islam stopped it in an orgy of cannabilism. Islam ate itself. All that accumulated learning was tossed right out in favour of superstitious crap. By Islam.

(June 5, 2021 at 8:35 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: What killed that "golden age"? There is no doubt that islam did indeed have a "golden age" of enlightenment, education, erudition and so forth. What stopped it? Islam stopped it in an orgy of cannabilism. Islam ate itself. All that accumulated learning was tossed right out in favour of superstitious crap. By Islam.

You should be more concerned about why there was a golden age in the first place. If Islam prohibited enlightenment and erudition, this epoch wouldn't have existed. What stopped it has to do with very complicated political problems that have nothing to do with Islam.

(June 10, 2021 at 10:16 am)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 5, 2021 at 8:35 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: What killed that "golden age"? There is no doubt that islam did indeed have a "golden age" of enlightenment, education, erudition and so forth. What stopped it? Islam stopped it in an orgy of cannabilism. Islam ate itself. All that accumulated learning was tossed right out in favour of superstitious crap. By Islam.

You should be more concerned about why there was a golden age in the first place. If Islam prohibited enlightenment and erudition, this epoch wouldn't have existed. What stopped it has to do with very complicated political problems that have nothing to do with Islam.

So all those political problems in the middle east have nothing to do with islam.

Sure.

At work

Oh no don't you see? It was all those other surrounding cultures *Cough* Victim complex *Cough* that brought about the ruination of such "Golden timez" and led inexorably to the ISIS of today because 'Reasons' and the Muslim world just can't catch a break to dig itself out of the fundamentalist hole they're in.

Oh wait! That would also possibility, kind of mean no 'Litteral' interpretation of the Koran.

Much as they havd current interpretive kin in the Christian fundamentalist counterpart.

(June 10, 2021 at 11:02 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: So all those political problems in the middle east have nothing to do with islam.

Sure.

Well, yes. If the same Islamic country or empire can have both a golden age and a not-so-golden age, then clearly Islam is an irrelevant factor.

(June 10, 2021 at 12:32 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work

 Oh no don't you see? It was all those other surrounding cultures *Cough* Victim complex *Cough* that brought about the ruination of such "Golden timez" and led inexorably to the ISIS of today because 'Reasons' and the Muslim world just can't catch a break to dig itself out of the fundamentalist hole they're in.

 Oh wait! That would also possibility, kind of mean no 'Litteral' interpretation of the Koran.

Much as they havd current interpretive kin in the Christian fundamentalist counterpart.

 

ISIS's interpretation of Islam follows a specific branch known as kharijite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijites

It's an extreme interpretation of sacred texts and is in no way justified.

(June 10, 2021 at 1:02 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 10, 2021 at 12:32 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work

 Oh no don't you see? It was all those other surrounding cultures *Cough* Victim complex *Cough* that brought about the ruination of such "Golden timez" and led inexorably to the ISIS of today because 'Reasons' and the Muslim world just can't catch a break to dig itself out of the fundamentalist hole they're in.

 Oh wait! That would also possibility, kind of mean no 'Litteral' interpretation of the Koran.

Much as they havd current interpretive kin in the Christian fundamentalist counterpart.

 

ISIS's interpretation of Islam follows a specific branch known as kharijite

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharijites

It's an extreme interpretation of sacred texts and is in no way justified.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and suggest that they think it's justified. So by saying it's not justified you mean for you. This type of dishonesty simply leads to people not trusting you.

(June 10, 2021 at 1:06 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and suggest that they think it's justified.  So by saying it's not justified you mean for you.  This type of dishonesty simply leads to people not trusting you.

Well, no, not just for me. If you checked the link you would find :

"Traditional Muslim historical sources and mainstream Muslims have viewed the Kharijites as religious extremists and having gone out of the Muslim community. Many modern Muslim extremist groups have been compared to the Kharijites for their radical ideology and militancy."

ISIS and al-Qaeda being the obvious examples of such extremist groups.

At work.

Soooo... they're not true Scottsmen, then?

(June 10, 2021 at 1:18 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:

(June 10, 2021 at 1:06 pm)Angrboda Wrote: I'm going to take a shot in the dark and suggest that they think it's justified.  So by saying it's not justified you mean for you.  This type of dishonesty simply leads to people not trusting you.

Well, no, not just for me. If you checked the link you would find :

"Traditional Muslim historical sources and mainstream Muslims have viewed the Kharijites as religious extremists and having gone out of the Muslim community. Many modern Muslim extremist groups have been compared to the Kharijites for their radical ideology and militancy."

ISIS and al-Qaeda being the obvious examples of such extremist groups.

That doesn't refute what I said. For them, it's justified. For you, it's not.

You remind me of a cartoon a math professor had on his door in college. It showed a long line of people at the professors door. It was captioned, "I can't solve the problem, but neither can these 1,000 people."

Your complaint is nothing but an ad populum argument.