(August 21, 2021 at 1:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: RCC in America started banning gays from seminaries in 2005, and that basically eliminated the molestations.

So now you start a bigotry speech against gays. Church always finds a way to wash its hand from responsibilities and shift the blame on someone else.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: But then again, CNN is talking about rumors.

That priest was convicted by court in Belgium and Church does not care, you don't care but blame the victims.

Rights and liberties are not meant for everyone. Lesser forms of filth should never dream of being so exalted.

hold on

(August 21, 2021 at 1:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Sure we've seen this before.  30- or 40-year old allegations.  Most of the priests now dead.  RCC in America started banning gays from seminaries in 2005, and that basically eliminated the molestations.  Too bad we can't say the same for the government public schools.  The left seems uninterested in reporting about their GROWING pedo problem.

You are just trying to smoke screen.  If god was magic, as you people believe, or even if belief in god truly changed people, as you people say it does, then why would there be ANY pedophiles in any church anywhere?  When confronted with evil Christians, you Christians just claim "ah, well, humans be humans".  But when you get into a debate about what is special about god and Christianity, you say things like "Christianity changes people".  Well, clearly those two things cannot both be true.  Either humans are truly changed by Christianity or they are not.  They clearly are not and thus we see the proportionate amount of pedophiles in churches that we see in the rest of society and homosexuality has no impact on it whatsoever.

I grew up Baptist.  Guess what, I know men my own age who I grew up with in the same church who've served time for child molestation.  The difference is the Baptist church did not try to protect them, nor did any government official.  Church pedophiles are not an old story; it still happens today.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:40 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 1:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: RCC in America started banning gays from seminaries in 2005, and that basically eliminated the molestations.

So now you start a bigotry speech against gays. Church always finds a way to wash its hand from responsibilities and shift the blame on someone else.

(August 21, 2021 at 1:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: But then again, CNN is talking about rumors.

That priest was convicted by court in Belgium and Church does not care, you don't care but blame the victims.

How is it bigotry pointing to a policy of US seminaries banning gay candidates which has apparently worked?  Could you explain?

Maybe take it up with the third-world Belgian law-enforcement.

Quote:How is it bigotry pointing to a policy of US seminaries banning gay candidates which has apparently worked?  Could you explain?

Maybe take it up with the third-world Belgian law-enforcement.

Citation needed

(August 21, 2021 at 2:34 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 1:21 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Sure we've seen this before.  30- or 40-year old allegations.  Most of the priests now dead.  RCC in America started banning gays from seminaries in 2005, and that basically eliminated the molestations.  Too bad we can't say the same for the government public schools.  The left seems uninterested in reporting about their GROWING pedo problem.

You are just trying to smoke screen.  If god was magic, as you people believe, or even if belief in god truly changed people, as you people say it does, then why would there be ANY pedophiles in any church anywhere?  When confronted with evil Christians, you Christians just claim "ah, well, humans be humans".  But when you get into a debate about what is special about god and Christianity, you say things like "Christianity changes people".  Well, clearly those two things cannot both be true.  Either humans are truly changed by Christianity or they are not.  They clearly are not and thus we see the proportionate amount of pedophiles in churches that we see in the rest of society and homosexuality has no impact on it whatsoever.

I grew up Baptist.  Guess what, I know men my own age who I grew up with in the same church who've served time for child molestation.  The difference is the Baptist church did not try to protect them, nor did any government official.  Church pedophiles are not an old story; it still happens today.

Two things.  People mess up.  Even if they have been practicing Christians and have been changed, it doesn't mean they can't fall,
And then there is the possibility that the very few priests were deceptive from the start and never embraced Christian teaching.  

But I'd say most of the time, if someone really embraced Christian teaching, they won't fall too far too often.

As far as sex abuse in the RCC today,  it has fallen almost to non-existence in the past ten years in the US.   The 2005 policy of banning gays from seminaries has really seemed to solve the problem.

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(August 21, 2021 at 2:40 pm)Helios Wrote:

Quote:How is it bigotry pointing to a policy of US seminaries banning gay candidates which has apparently worked?  Could you explain?

Maybe take it up with the third-world Belgian law-enforcement.

Citation needed

Here you go, mate.
https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut...story.html

(August 21, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Two things.  People mess up.  Even if they have been practicing Christians and have been changed, it doesn't mean they can't fall,
And then there is the possibility that the very few priests were deceptive from the start and never embraced Christian teaching.  

But I'd say most of the time, if someone really embraced Christian teaching, they won't fall too far too often.

Ah, yes, the old no true Scotsman argument.  Never fails.  If he does that he never was a True Christian.  Convenient argument.  But again, if people are truly changed, then why do they fall?  And then saying they fall because they weren't really changed, that eliminates most Christians.  I know of very few who've never done anything sinful.

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And if a True Christian just stumbles, then realized he has sinned, why do they never turn themselves in?

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(August 21, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Mashmont Wrote: As far as sex abuse in the RCC today,  it has fallen almost to non-existence in the past ten years in the US.   The 2005 policy of banning gays from seminaries has really seemed to solve the problem.

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Wow, congratulations.  Your ordained "men of god" sexually abuse a much smaller number of innocent children now.  Something to celebrate.  Oh, what a wonderful god.  His representatives abuse so few children!

Quote:Here you go, mate.

https://www.courant.com/news/connecticut...story.html

I wanted evidence that banning gay priests is what caused molestations to go down not a mere correlation of reported which by the way contradicts the fact most pedophiles are straight even ones who molest boys because pedophilia isn't about the sex of the victim. A more likely explanation is simply increased scrutiny of the church has either lead to molesters stopping molesting or they have become better at covering their tracks or the church is simply lying again and scapegoating gays.

(August 21, 2021 at 2:47 pm)Spongebob Wrote:

(August 21, 2021 at 2:42 pm)Mashmont Wrote: Two things.  People mess up.  Even if they have been practicing Christians and have been changed, it doesn't mean they can't fall,
And then there is the possibility that the very few priests were deceptive from the start and never embraced Christian teaching.  

But I'd say most of the time, if someone really embraced Christian teaching, they won't fall too far too often.

Ah, yes, the old no true Scotsman argument.  Never fails.  If he does that he never was a True Christian.  Convenient argument.  But again, if people are truly changed, then why do they fall?  And then saying they fall because they weren't really changed, that eliminates most Christians.  I know of very few who've never done anything sinful.

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And if a True Christian just stumbles, then realized he has sinned, why do they never turn themselves in?

I never said that.  I said people who have embraced it can indeed fail,  but it's generally  not often and not far.
I have never understood why atheists think it's worse to try and fail than to never try.