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Autonomous vehicles
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 (September 20, 2021 at 1:31 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It will give hackers many hours of glee - causing multiple car pile ups....... How often are computer controlled aviation systems hacked? How many airliners crash per year due to hackers? Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
 RE: Autonomous vehicles
September 20, 2021 at 2:03 pm
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2021 at 2:06 pm by onlinebiker.)
(September 20, 2021 at 1:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(September 20, 2021 at 10:50 am)Spongebob Wrote: Regardless of what powers a vehicle, massive amounts of research and technology is being invested into autonomous vehicles (AV). Technology trends point to a future where most people won't need o want a personal vehicle but will rather "order" a ride via some type of mobile app, which will pick them up and drop them off, all for a fee of course. Vehicles could come in the form of mass transit or small vehicles. As usual, this shift in vehicle ownership and operation will come with a major shift in jobs, as busses and trains won't employ drivers but of course someone will have to watch over the systems that manage these vehicles. What challenges do you see with this? Will this be a benefit for you or something you hope doesn't happen at all? And just how far in the future do you see this materializing? You can' t learn to fly in a wind tunnel.... (September 20, 2021 at 2:02 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(September 20, 2021 at 1:31 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: It will give hackers many hours of glee - causing multiple car pile ups....... How many aircraft have you flown in that did not have a live pilot who was trained, ready and capable of taking over on a second' s notice? (September 20, 2021 at 2:03 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:(September 20, 2021 at 1:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I am all for automated vehicles. My only problem for now is why the companies trying to make them, is using public roads as testing grounds. Closed and controlled testing grounds are where you iron out the kinks. I'll rephrase the question: How many times has a human pilot prevented a plane crash that would have been caused by a hacker? Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
(September 20, 2021 at 2:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(September 20, 2021 at 2:03 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You can' t learn to fly in a wind tunnel.... I doubt such information is even published. Access to the hardware is a bit tougher on aircraft. Do you routinely leave an L1011 parked in your driveway where it would be easy access for hackers? The security of automobiles will be quite easy for any hacker to get to to play with. He can always just buy a car. An Airbus is outside most people' s budget.... 
I suppose it's easy for cynical people to throw cold water on emerging technologies. These are among the vast number of things that have to be addressed as the technology matures. Personally, I'm not interested in anyone who can't get their mind out of that mode. Whatever. There's far more to discuss regarding the technology.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller  
I'll have to ask my chauffeur what she thinks of all the AI driving hullabaloo.
I'll get back to you. (September 20, 2021 at 2:23 pm)Spongebob Wrote: I suppose it's easy for cynical people to throw cold water on emerging technologies. These are among the vast number of things that have to be addressed as the technology matures. Personally, I'm not interested in anyone who can't get their mind out of that mode. Whatever. There's far more to discuss regarding the technology. Just shut up you reactionary moron. EVERY time someone posts you falsely assume there are only two sides to every issue - yours and the wrong one. WHERE did you see me post that I am against AV technology? Uh -- nowhere? Because I didn' t. Your panties just knoted up and you gotta go blurting out BS... How about you ASK? No - I am not against AV tech. I AM against a rush forward to get the tech out there too soon without good testing. My best guess - 25 to 30 years before a computer can handle unexpected situations as well as a trained human. And don' t do it again - and jump on me for saying humans are superior to electronics. A TRAINED human who is paying attebtion probably is. In my estimation at least half of the drivers currently driving are not capable drivers. But that doesn' t mean a computer is. For now. (September 20, 2021 at 3:14 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Just shut up you reactionary moron. Let's see, where to start with you, WLB. You posted: Quote:It will give hackers many hours of glee - causing multiple car pile ups.......So that is clearly a cynical, anti-technology comment, no doubt about it. Oh, I'm supposed to ask you how you feel about it when pretty much all you post is brown ass-blow like this. No, thank you. Not interested. Quote:EVERY time someone posts you falsely assume there are only two sides to every issue - yours and the wrong one.Prove that, please. Let's see your data. Clearly its just you, WLB. Quote:WHERE did you see me post that I am against AV technology? Uh -- nowhere? Because I didn' t. Your panties just knoted up and you gotta go blurting out BS...Since you said not one word regarding the technology except to criticize the potential for security threats, that's all I have to go on. So, if you want someone to understand what you think about a subject, I suggest you state it clearly and concisely. Quote:How about you ASK?No, thank you. You've used up any and all patience I have with your continuous spluge of nonsense. Post something remotely intelligent once in a while. Quote:No - I am not against AV tech.Good for you, aren't you special. Quote:I AM against a rush forward to get the tech out there too soon without good testing.And where did I say anything regarding rushing into the use of said technology? You just assumed this from my OP even though I explicitly stated that some time would be needed to mature the technology and even related it to the emergence of the automobile. Quote:My best guess - 25 to 30 years before a computer can handle unexpected situations as well as a trained human.Well, you're already wrong about this. Computers can handle most situations significantly faster than a human. The only thing keeping it from being completely superior is defining the wide range of situations, which consequently, is a shortcoming of us, the programmers, NOT the computers. Quote:And don' t do it again - and jump on me for saying humans are superior to electronics. A TRAINED human who is paying attebtion probably is.Make me, you Whiney Little Bitch. But within the parameters of this topic, which is a computer controlling a vehicle, computers most certainly are superior if you compare what a computer can do to the same tasks done by humans. What humans have that the computer doesn't is the ability to experience something new and react appropriately. Once a situation is defined, the computer beats a human every time. Now before you go blow another hole in your ass, I know that programming and sensor technology still has a way to go to compensate for a computer's lack of learning skills. The thing is, I wanted to hear some genuinely intelligent posts from the members here about their ideas and expectations regarding AV. That's it. I don't care for cynical remarks like yours because they are basically useless nonsense. As if no one else here is smart enough to understand the security risks. So I'll reply to your comments in the same tone and manner as you do and you can't do a damn thing about it. Quote:In my estimation at least half of the drivers currently driving are not capable drivers. But that doesn' t mean a computer is. For now.So, you just cratered your own argument. Thanks for that. Consider this, WLB. Out of all of the car crashes (I don't refer to them as accidents), what percentage of them are due specifically to driver error? A study conducted at Stanford U found the number is about 90% and other studies rate it closer to 99%. I think computers could probably do better without even trying.
Why is it so?
~Julius Sumner Miller  (September 20, 2021 at 2:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(September 20, 2021 at 2:03 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: You can' t learn to fly in a wind tunnel.... Not the point. Cars have accidents all the time, even with all the best closed course testing. But what I am talking about is avoiding things like the Ford Pinto. Or did you forget that? Automation in cars for now, should be relegated to closed environment. One certainly cannot blame a business for everything the user does with your product. But ultimately it is still up to the maker to do everything they can to insure safety and not use the public as lab rats. |
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