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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:13 am
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I feel like we're swirling the drain here, anyway - since you've decided that god isn't benevolent. You're just asking me whether or not I like bribes. Case in point.
FWIW, I think that's an honest assessment. Neither your god nor the god of magic book can be called benevolent. It would be ludicrous right on it's face. As for my life being easier...well, I'm not the one begging the clouds to give me things I don't have. Seems like things might be going better for me than some person doubled over in anguish sending out an sos to the cosmos.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:15 am
The pointlessness of faith is evident by the fact that it can be tethered to any fictional concept and yield the same results each time.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:16 am
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It would be interesting to see how many people would still profess faith in God if they knew what He was really like.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:16 am
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Gods don't take payment in faith. They prefer burnt offerings of flesh and buckets of blood. Or so magic book contends...
I can answer that question for you, btw, Ahri. Take every single contemporary christian you know..... for example. None of them believe in the god of magic book, none of them can. So, if that's what god is really like, you have an answer.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:27 am
(October 2, 2021 at 8:49 am)Ahriman Wrote: Like I said before, God is not "benevolent" since He doesn't go out of His way to be good, and doesn't treat everyone equally. But He does answer prayers.
In 2019 an estimated 5.2 million children under 5 years died mostly from preventable and treatable causes. Children aged 1 to 11 months accounted for 1.5 million of these deaths while children aged 1 to 4 years accounted for 1.3 million deaths. Newborns (under 28 days) accounted for the remaining 2.4 million deaths.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheet...-mortality
Let me guess: God did answer their parent's prayers, but the answer was "No".
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:36 am
(October 2, 2021 at 9:27 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: (October 2, 2021 at 8:49 am)Ahriman Wrote: Like I said before, God is not "benevolent" since He doesn't go out of His way to be good, and doesn't treat everyone equally. But He does answer prayers.
In 2019 an estimated 5.2 million children under 5 years died mostly from preventable and treatable causes. Children aged 1 to 11 months accounted for 1.5 million of these deaths while children aged 1 to 4 years accounted for 1.3 million deaths. Newborns (under 28 days) accounted for the remaining 2.4 million deaths.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheet...-mortality
Let me guess: God did answer their parent's prayers, but the answer was "No". The parents were being selfish. If a child is meant to die, it's going to die. The parents have no right to petition for an artificial extension of their child's life.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:57 am
(October 2, 2021 at 8:31 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (October 2, 2021 at 1:06 am)gracerutherford Wrote: I have some questions that need to be answered. Your claims are that the Bible is unreliable. Now, if it is a true source completely, then of course we would have to come to the conclusion that God is a benevolent Creator.
You might, I wouldn't. Have you read it? God gets up to some pretty nasty stuff. I have trouble knowing what to do, or how to have a convo with a person who believes both that magic book is historically accurate, and that the character it describes is benevolent. Two wildly false things there - and that's assuming that there is a benevolent god, even.
Yeah, but I'm confident that this one is a new testament only believer. Any link to "history" = truth.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 9:58 am
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The parents have no right to ask for that..but you..have your silly prayers...answered. 
(October 2, 2021 at 9:57 am)brewer Wrote: Yeah, but I'm confident that this one is a new testament only believer. Any link to "history" = truth.
New magic book is just as bad, and just as much a collection of myths and legends.
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 10:07 am
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(October 2, 2021 at 9:58 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The parents have no right to ask for that..but you..have your silly prayers...answered.
(October 2, 2021 at 9:57 am)brewer Wrote: Yeah, but I'm confident that this one is a new testament only believer. Any link to "history" = truth.
New magic book is just as bad, and just as much a collection of myths and legends.
Not in his/her mind. It's got HISTORY!
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RE: Benevolent Creator God?
October 2, 2021 at 10:10 am
Silly prayers get answered far more often than more serious prayers, because God finds the silly prayers more manageable. In other words, closer to his power level.
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