(November 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:43 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Atheism is categorized by the Supreme Court, only as far as atheists deserving the same rights, with regards to freedom of, and freedom from, religion.

It is not categorized as a religion, theologically or philosophically speaking.

I am not sure what is vague about my answers? I disbelieve that gods, souls and an after life exist, because I have yet to be offered demonstrable and falsifiable evidence, and valid and sound logic, to support theist's claims that those things exist.

What’s vague about your answers is that you’re saying there’s lack of evidence to make up your mind on souls and the afterlife but you also place a belief in the brain.

I currently disbelieve, based on the current lack of evidence to support the claims that a god, soul or afterlife exist. I am open to being convinced that they do exist, but I currently have no warrant or justification to believe they do.

I am not absolutely certain of the nonexistence of gods, souls, afterlife.

(November 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: Oh no no no absolutely not, I’m going by your definitions here and I don’t know anything until you tell me.

Yet, here's your response from the first page:
but I’m waiting for one here to give me the correct answer.

(November 1, 2021 at 7:01 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:57 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m an agnostic atheist. I lack a belief in the existence of a god and/or gods,
but I recognize that I cannot know if gods don’t exist. But I don’t need to, do I? As far as the afterlife goes, as it is with gods, there is no evidence of such a thing, therefore I don’t hold the belief that one exists. But something tells me this isn’t going to satisfy whatever itch you’ve got. Is it?

Thank you for accurately describing your position. I don’t have any issues with anything in your post.

Cool. So tell us, what do you believe, and why?

(November 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:44 pm)brewer Wrote: It's a belief(s) that I lack, at least in the way that christians believe.

Thank you ! Would you say that a more appropriate answer would be “I don’t know”?

No. It's my same lack of belief for all supernatural claims. I've not been presented any credible evidence that those concepts exist as anything more than concepts. 

If you like you can supply me with what you consider evidence for souls and afterlife and then I'll tell you if you've changed my mind. You should know that I don't consider ancient writings, stories, anecdotes, testimony or arguments as evidence.

Also, I have no issue's with you personally believing anything you like, as long as that belief does not negatively impact me IRL.

(November 1, 2021 at 7:02 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: What’s vague about your answers is that you’re saying there’s lack of evidence to make up your mind on souls and the afterlife but you also place a belief in the brain.

I currently disbelieve, based on the current lack of evidence to support the claims that a god, soul or afterlife exist. I am open to being convinced that they do exist, but I currently have no warrant or justification to believe they do.

I am not absolutely certain of the nonexistence of gods, souls, afterlife.

So this means a Hard No and you’re providing no proof for your certainty of the non existence of God/s or souls. Are you the dictionary definitions of atheism or agnostic atheism or are you something else?

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(November 1, 2021 at 7:03 pm)Foxaire Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: Oh no no no absolutely not, I’m going by your definitions here and I don’t know anything until you tell me.

Yet, here's your response from the first page:
but I’m waiting for one here to give me the correct answer.

That is correct because the dictionary definition of atheism allows you to have only one answer and nothing more.

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(November 1, 2021 at 7:05 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 7:01 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: Thank you for accurately describing your position. I don’t have any issues with anything in your post.

Cool. So tell us, what do you believe, and why?

Can I tell you this later if you don’t mind? I plan to have many threads here which will be pointing to each-other in the future. Hopefully I’m not banned until then.

And, there it is, seeking the irrational via obfuscation of the burden of proof.

(November 1, 2021 at 7:05 pm)brewer Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 6:47 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote: Thank you ! Would you say that a more appropriate answer would be “I don’t know”?

No. It's my same lack of belief for all supernatural claims. I've not been presented any credible evidence that those concepts exist as anything more than concepts. 

If you like you can supply me with what you consider evidence for souls and afterlife and then I'll tell you if you've changed my mind. You should know that I don't consider ancient writings, stories, anecdotes, testimony or arguments as evidence.

Also, I have no issue's with you personally believing anything you like, as long as that belief does not negatively impact me IRL.

Okay so first of all I’d like to clear this up with you that I don’t have any absolute proof on the existence of God. This is an existential question of the ages so if we knew the answers one way or another we wouldn’t be having this eternal discussion.
I just want to discuss definitions here for the moment and what those definitions allow you to say about your stance/position.
I think “I don’t know” is a perfectly reasonable answer here which aligns with your position but you’ve described it in a similar way. Cool. Thank you for that. It seems to me you’re the dictionary definition of an atheist.

@GaryAnderson

Gnostic and agnostic positions are not contradictory; it’s simply a matter of the individual’s confidence level.

(November 1, 2021 at 7:14 pm)Foxaire Wrote: And, there it is, seeking the irrational via obfuscation of the burden of proof.

This isn’t confusing at all. Describe what you are and tell me what you think on souls and afterlife.

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(November 1, 2021 at 7:17 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @GaryAnderson

Gnostic and agnostic positions are not contradictory; it’s simply a matter of the individual’s confidence level.

This is correct.
Consider my first post an exercise in logic.

(November 1, 2021 at 7:16 pm)GaryAnderson Wrote:

(November 1, 2021 at 7:05 pm)brewer Wrote: No. It's my same lack of belief for all supernatural claims. I've not been presented any credible evidence that those concepts exist as anything more than concepts. 

If you like you can supply me with what you consider evidence for souls and afterlife and then I'll tell you if you've changed my mind. You should know that I don't consider ancient writings, stories, anecdotes, testimony or arguments as evidence.

Also, I have no issue's with you personally believing anything you like, as long as that belief does not negatively impact me IRL.

Okay so first of all I’d like to clear this up with you that I don’t have any absolute proof on the existence of God. This is an existential question of the ages so if we knew the answers one way or another we wouldn’t be having this eternal discussion.
I just want to discuss definitions here for the moment and what those definitions allow you to say about your stance/position.
I think “I don’t know” is a perfectly reasonable answer here which aligns with your position but you’ve described it in a similar way. Cool. Thank you for that. It seems to me you’re the dictionary definition of an atheist.

I do know that I lack a belief. Please don't try to tell me what I am or am not. I'll do the same for you.