(January 24, 2022 at 8:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 7:53 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Have you looked at the data? We're not talking about whether getting the vaccine is safer than getting the virus, and I've never made the claim that getting the virus is safer than getting the vaccine. Right now, we're talking about the reality that getting covid gives you excellent immunity, which the CDC data confirms, and which Helios said was BS for ages, and Helios said that any scientist making that claim or suggesting that should be censored, so as it turns out, he wanted reality to be censored, because it disagreed with his political motives.

I should point out that you explicitly stated it's better, not just in this thread, but in this very page of the thread. And even when you cited a paper from the CDC, they pointed out that, even if natural immunity is fairly good, vaccination is both more effective and safer. The same damn paper that you cited.

Hell, its last sentence was, and I quote:

Quote:Primary COVID-19 vaccination, additional doses, and booster doses are recommended by CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices to ensure that all eligible persons are up to date with COVID-19 vaccination, which provides the most robust protection against initial infection, severe illness, hospitalization, long-term sequelae, and death.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

(January 24, 2022 at 6:08 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Excellent natural immunity confirmed

(January 24, 2022 at 8:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 7:53 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Have you looked at the data? We're not talking about whether getting the vaccine is safer than getting the virus, and I've never made the claim that getting the virus is safer than getting the vaccine. Right now, we're talking about the reality that getting covid gives you excellent immunity, which the CDC data confirms, and which Helios said was BS for ages, and Helios said that any scientist making that claim or suggesting that should be censored, so as it turns out, he wanted reality to be censored, because it disagreed with his political motives.

I should point out that you explicitly stated it's better, not just in this thread, but in this very page of the thread. And even when you cited a paper from the CDC, they pointed out that, even if natural immunity is fairly good, vaccination is both more effective and safer. The same damn paper that you cited.

Hell, its last sentence was, and I quote:

Quote:Primary COVID-19 vaccination, additional doses, and booster doses are recommended by CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices to ensure that all eligible persons are up to date with COVID-19 vaccination, which provides the most robust protection against initial infection, severe illness, hospitalization, long-term sequelae, and death.

What the fuck are you even talking about?

(January 24, 2022 at 8:07 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 8:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I should point out that you explicitly stated it's better, not just in this thread, but in this very page of the thread. And even when you cited a paper from the CDC, they pointed out that, even if natural immunity is fairly good, vaccination is both more effective and safer. The same damn paper that you cited.

Hell, its last sentence was, and I quote:

What the fuck are you even talking about?

Of course they are going to suggest boosters. They're the freakin CDC. That doesn't mean that their data shows that taking a booster is necessary when you already have natural immunity. Look at the actual data, my dude, rather than focusing on a sentence. You know better than that. The data shows that natural immunity is better than someone who has been vaccinated but has not contracted covid. Show me where the data shows that Dr. John Campbell is incorrect in his summary of the data.

(January 24, 2022 at 9:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: I'm looking at it right now. And while that part about how unvaccinated cases with a previous diagnosis have a lower hazard rate than vaccinated cases without a previous diagnosis, there's one more category you failed to include in your analysis: people who are both vaccinated and had a previous case. And where do those cases rank in the heirarchy provided by that paper? Those who both had the vaccine and the virus. So, whether or not you had the virus naturally, it's still better to have the jab just in case. Indeed, the fact that you had the first two doses of the vaccine might have helped make your case so comparatively mild.

The fact that Omicron has a reputation for being a "milder" variant is largely down to the fact that, while it's better at getting past your immune defenses than the previous variants, if you're vaccinated, your immune system is better at dealing with it. If you're not, it's still bad enough to put you in the hospital.

(January 24, 2022 at 7:53 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Have you looked at the data? We're not talking about whether getting the vaccine is safer than getting the virus, and I've never made the claim that getting the virus is safer than getting the vaccine.

(January 24, 2022 at 7:33 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The data shows that natural immunity is better than vaccination

(January 24, 2022 at 8:09 pm)brewer Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 6:08 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Excellent natural immunity confirmed

Read the discussion section. (beginning with 'The findings in this report are subject to at least seven limitations.'...)

(January 24, 2022 at 9:00 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 8:07 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Of course they are going to suggest boosters. They're the freakin CDC. That doesn't mean that their data shows that taking a booster is necessary when you already have natural immunity. Look at the actual data, my dude, rather than focusing on a sentence. You know better than that. The data shows that natural immunity is better than someone who has been vaccinated but has not contracted covid. Show me where the data shows that Dr. John Campbell is incorrect in his summary of the data.

I'm looking at it right now. And while that part about how unvaccinated cases with a previous diagnosis have a lower hazard rate than vaccinated cases without a previous diagnosis, there's one more category you failed to include in your analysis: people who are both vaccinated and had a previous case. And where do those cases rank in the heirarchy provided by that paper? Those who both had the vaccine and the virus. So, whether or not you had the virus naturally, it's still better to have the jab just in case. Indeed, the fact that you had the first two doses of the vaccine might have helped make your case so comparatively mild.

The fact that Omicron has a reputation for being a "milder" variant is largely down to the fact that, while it's better at getting past your immune defenses than the previous variants, if you're vaccinated, your immune system is better at dealing with it. If you're not, it's still bad enough to put you in the hospital.

(January 25, 2022 at 5:06 am)Deesse23 Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 7:53 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Have you looked at the data? We're not talking about whether getting the vaccine is safer than getting the virus, and I've never made the claim that getting the virus is safer than getting the vaccine.

(January 24, 2022 at 7:33 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: The data shows that natural immunity is better than vaccination

(January 25, 2022 at 10:40 am)Irreligious Atheist Wrote:

(January 24, 2022 at 8:09 pm)brewer Wrote: Read the discussion section. (beginning with 'The findings in this report are subject to at least seven limitations.'...)

So now we're going with 'insufficient data' when I've been told on here for months that all the data is in and that immunity from vaccination is better than natural immunity. I see. Also, the Israeli data points to natural immunity being better as well.