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(September 30, 2022 at 6:58 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Comedys not illegal in Canadia...don't be ridiculous. You're just not funny. 
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September 30, 2022 at 4:24 pm
(September 30, 2022 at 12:35 pm)Helios Wrote: (September 30, 2022 at 6:58 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Comedys not illegal in Canadia...don't be ridiculous. You're just not funny.
And, his example was about a B.C. Human Rights Tribunal case.
Those tribunals are problematic, as they have no jurisprudence, and depend on the leanings of the judges.
Plus, the example was from 2011 when Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act was still in effect (a provision that stifled free speech in favor of anyone who felt hated or offended) - and was repealed in 2014.
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September 30, 2022 at 4:41 pm
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His BC example was nonsense. The supposed issues with Tribunals are blown way out of proportion and the boogeyman of section 13 is just that and wasn't even revised because of its "supposed " anti-free speech issues. 
Free speech in Canada is fine it just isn't what radicals like IA want.
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October 1, 2022 at 9:22 am
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(September 30, 2022 at 4:24 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: (September 30, 2022 at 12:35 pm)Helios Wrote:
And, his example was about a B.C. Human Rights Tribunal case.
Those tribunals are problematic, as they have no jurisprudence, and depend on the leanings of the judges.
Plus, the example was from 2011 when Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act was still in effect (a provision that stifled free speech in favor of anyone who felt hated or offended) - and was repealed in 2014.
Ok. Here's a more recent example then. 2021 article from the bbc. Thankfully, the comedian was vindicated by the supreme court (although a 5-4 slit decision and extremely close, and who's to say this doesn't go the other way with a different supreme court in the future?), but you don't think it's crazy that he was ordered by Quebec to pay thousands of dollars in the first place (in 2016, and the decision upheld in 2019), for a joke, and to be forced to take the matter to the supreme court? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55959133
The repercussions of that show have been followed for almost a decade in Quebec and will culminate on 15 February, when the lengthy legal battle over a joke Ward told about Gabriel in that act will be heard by Canada's Supreme Court.
The tribunal found he had "exceeded the limits of freedom of expression" and that his joke was discriminatory on the basis of disability.
He appealed, and in a 2019 split decision, the Court of Appeal mostly upheld the tribunal's ruling, as well as C$35,000 ($27,500; £20,000) awarded to Gabriel in moral and punitive damages.
The court's "intention is not to restrict creativity or censor artists' opinions", said the ruling, but "comedians, like any citizen, are responsible for the consequences of their words when they cross certain lines".
Ward had already decided that if he lost, he'd seek to take the fight to Canada's top court.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-ward-scc-j%C3%A9r%C3%A9my-gabriel-1.6229032
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October 1, 2022 at 10:40 am
Yeah, not seeing how you think that proves your point.
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October 1, 2022 at 11:03 am
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(October 1, 2022 at 10:40 am)Angrboda Wrote: Yeah, not seeing how you think that proves your point.
Trust me, if you think Saturday Night Live in the States is about as bad as comedy can get, then imagine that but 20 times tamer. That's all of the comedy on Canadian tv. It's unwatchable and I'd hardly call it comedy, but to each their own. You got me. Not all comedy is banned. You got me good, you little rascal. I concede, and bend the knee. Some forms of supposed comedy are still allowed.
And also, ok, not illegal in the sense that you'll get thrown in the slammer, but ordered to pay 35000 dollars by a tribunal is still insane, and to have that decision upheld in the year 2019 is insane. And the Supreme Court vindicating the comedian does not make everything ok. Society is moving more and more towards censorship, and eventually the Supreme Court members are going to change, and the ruling will be made in the other direction. I think long term.
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October 1, 2022 at 11:54 am
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Quote:Trust me, if you think Saturday Night Live in the States is about as bad as comedy can get, then imagine that but 20 times tamer. That's all of the comedy on Canadian tv. It's unwatchable and I'd hardly call it comedy, but to each their own. You got me. Not all comedy is banned. You got me good, you little rascal. I concede, and bend the knee. Some forms of supposed comedy are still allowed.
So because you don't like it comedy is dead ( but considering the assholes you find funny..... )
I watch lots of Canadian comedy it's looser than it's ever been it just doesn't have to rely on the shock to be funny anymore. That style was stale low effort bullshit anyway.
Quote:And also, ok, not illegal in the sense that you'll get thrown in the slammer, but ordered to pay 35000 dollars by a tribunal is still insane, and to have that decision upheld in the year 2019 is insane. And the Supreme Court vindicating the comedian does not make everything ok. Society is moving more and more towards censorship, and eventually the Supreme Court members are going to change, and the ruling will be made in the other direction. I think long term.
Yeah because joking about drowning a person with a physical disability is so innocent. Truly this is proof we live in North Korea because that was deemed as going too far.....
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October 1, 2022 at 4:10 pm
(October 1, 2022 at 11:54 am)Helios Wrote: Quote:Trust me, if you think Saturday Night Live in the States is about as bad as comedy can get, then imagine that but 20 times tamer. That's all of the comedy on Canadian tv. It's unwatchable and I'd hardly call it comedy, but to each their own. You got me. Not all comedy is banned. You got me good, you little rascal. I concede, and bend the knee. Some forms of supposed comedy are still allowed.
So because you don't like it comedy is dead ( but considering the assholes you find funny..... )
I watch lots of Canadian comedy it's looser than it's ever been it just doesn't have to rely on the shock to be funny anymore. That style was stale low effort bullshit anyway.
Quote:And also, ok, not illegal in the sense that you'll get thrown in the slammer, but ordered to pay 35000 dollars by a tribunal is still insane, and to have that decision upheld in the year 2019 is insane. And the Supreme Court vindicating the comedian does not make everything ok. Society is moving more and more towards censorship, and eventually the Supreme Court members are going to change, and the ruling will be made in the other direction. I think long term.
Yeah because joking about drowning a person with a physical disability is so innocent. Truly this is proof we live in North Korea because that was deemed as going too far.....
Yeah, as long as we're not as bad as North Korea, then all is fine. Real high bar you have there. And I'm upset they're trying to ban holocaust denial, so yeah, I think mocking a disability in a comedy act should be perfectly fine and a comedian can absolutely make legitimate jokes about that subject matter, even though that's not what actually happened.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-wa...-1.6229032
In a 5-4 split decision, the top court ruled Friday that while comedian Mike Ward's act ridiculed Jérémy Gabriel, a young man with Treacher Collins Syndrome, he was chosen as a target not because of his disability but because of his fame.
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October 1, 2022 at 4:49 pm
Hey, I'm with you - I think people should be able to say the most fucked up shit they can think of. Easier to id them for internment.
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October 1, 2022 at 5:58 pm
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Quote:Yeah, as long as we're not as bad as North Korea, then all is fine. Real high bar you have there. And I'm upset they're trying to ban holocaust denial, so yeah, I think mocking a disability in a comedy act should be perfectly fine and a comedian can absolutely make legitimate jokes about that subject matter, even though that's not what actually happened.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mike-wa...-1.6229032
If you think joking about murdering a disabled person is fine you are kind of a prick really, And defending holocaust denialists, wow you are a POC aren't you? And you realize my statement about North Korea was clearly hyperbole .....
Quote:In a 5-4 split decision, the top court ruled Friday that while comedian Mike Ward's act ridiculed Jérémy Gabriel, a young man with Treacher Collins Syndrome, he was chosen as a target not because of his disability but because of his fame.
Yeah, that's bullshit. He didn't joke about his fame he joked about drowning him because of his disability and other vile nonsense that essentially ruined the poor guy's life. Fuck the court and Fuck Jérémy Gabriel.
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