Quote:Sorry, bruh. Nudger hit me with the "das raciss" accusations out of nowhere, so I had to point out his hypocrisy by showing that I actually care more for criminals than he does, as I want the worst of the worst to have voting rights, and he wants an old lady who walked into the Capitol on January 6th to be shot on the spot or shipped to gitmo, once again, showing Nudge only cares about a certain type of criminal.

There is no hypocrisy in treating traitors and terrorists the same. The age and sex of those traitors shouldn't matter, should it? So no this doesn't back your claim he only cares about certain prisoners in fact he already said he wants the Jan 6 traitors to have the right to vote which if you ask me is generous considering the nature of their crime and if you try and storm the capital building you likely be shot regardless of age and sex .So no ironically it seems to be you who wants criminals to be treated differently.....

(October 2, 2022 at 8:50 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(October 2, 2022 at 8:45 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: Sorry, bruh. Nudger hit me with the "das raciss" accusations out of nowhere, 

Uh huh...still waiting to see your cv for comparison, Mr Obviously Unqualified Diversity Hire. 

Also wait for him to show any hypocrisy in your statement about the Jan 6th traitors.

(October 3, 2022 at 12:01 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Sorry, bruh. Nudger hit me with the "das raciss" accusations out of nowhere, so I had to point out his hypocrisy by showing that I actually care more for criminals than he does, as I want the worst of the worst to have voting rights, and he wants an old lady who walked into the Capitol on January 6th to be shot on the spot or shipped to gitmo, once again, showing Nudge only cares about a certain type of criminal.

There is no hypocrisy in treating traitors and terrorists the same. The age and sex of those traitors shouldn't matter, should it? So no this doesn't back your claim he only cares about certain prisoners in fact he already said he wants the Jan 6 traitors to have the right to vote which if you ask me is generous considering the nature of their crime and if you try and storm the capital building you likely be shot regardless of age and sex .So no ironically it seems to be you who wants criminals to be treated differently.....

They deserved to be shot when some of them only committed misdemeanor crimes? Good thing you're not in charge. The Capitol Police let people in. You start shooting people if you want a civil war or something. You start shooting people if you want to give their cause a huge boost and turn them into political martyrs. You have no forethought, do you? The rednecks who held up at the Bureau of Land Management building? That situation turned out well for the government. The one guy seemed to be reaching for a gun when he was shot, so their side can't really say much about that, now can they? But if you just went in shooting all the people held up at the BLM building, then you've got another Waco situation, which could inspire another OKC bombing or far worse. You seriously have no forethought at all to consequences to government actions.

Quote:They deserved to be shot when some of them only committed misdemeanor crimes? Good thing you're not in charge.

Storming the capital building (which really is the only scenario where you would get on purpose) to stop the peaceful transition of power and murder politicians is not a misdemeanor. Thank god you are not in charge or they would have been treated with softer kitty gloves than they already have been.

Quote:The Capitol Police let people in. 

No, they didn't certain members didn't stop them because they couldn't stop them and other members were diralect in their duty and others were viciously attacked. So don't even try to paint this as not a storming of the capital building and some sanctioned act the cops were okay with......

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/video-...r-capitol/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capito...ing-video/

https://www.lawfareblog.com/policing-and...es-capitol

https://apnews.com/article/dc-wire-donal...143adf611a

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/...-trump-su/

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrectio...itol-riots

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/po...eport.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/for...t-n1253273

Quote:You start shooting people if you want a civil war or something. 

No, you shoot them if they try and storm the building. If you storm the capital building to stop the peaceful transition of power then you itching for a civil war in fact ironically the same kind of people who stormed the capital have been itching for such an event for years.

Quote:You start shooting people if you want to give their cause a huge boost and turn them into political martyrs.

No, you shoot them if they try and storm the building. If radical loony toons choose to treat those people as martyrs that's not your problem. Your job is to protect the building and the people inside.

Quote: You have no forethought, do you?

No, you simply want there no consequences for this sort of shit. Because you are scared of offending a group of violent lunatics who be violent lunatics regardless of how nice you play with them ......

Quote:The rednecks who held up at the Bureau of Land Management building? That situation turned out well for the government. 
The one guy seemed to be reaching for a gun when he was shot, so their side can't really say much about that, now can they? But if you just went in shooting all the people held up at the BLM building, then you've got another Waco situation, which could inspire another OKC bombing or far worse. You seriously have no forethought at all to consequences to government actions.

Translation "yield to violent lunatics because they might respond violently" You have no forethought in what that leads to. Oh, wait I forgot you think we should just have to "live with terrorism". You are a human doormat happy to let any group of extremist nutjobs walk all over you. Well, fuck that ....

(October 2, 2022 at 9:47 pm)bennyboy Wrote:

(October 2, 2022 at 8:33 pm)Irreligious Atheist Wrote: I'm sorry, but this does sound an awful lot like the abortion argument from conservatives. "I want to give them abstinence training, and if that fails they better not be stupid enough not to use protection, and if everyone learns to just stop being stupid, then no one will need the right to abort." That's just not how life works. Shit happens. People get pregnant.

In this case, that's a poor analogy.  I'm talking about day care for single moms, prison release with financial incentives, low-interest loans for entrepreneurship, financial support for couples who get married and stay together, and so on.  We spend an ungodly amount of money on criminals.  Better to spend at least some of it on circumstances that minimize criminality than to spend it on prisons, no?

Once someone's (metaphorical) soul has been demeaned by an unpleasant upbringing, things are unlikely to take a turn for the better.  There are just enough people who DO drag themselves up by their own bootstraps to let moralists point fingers-- "That guy did it, why couldn't you?"

I think you and I are much more on the same page than you think we are right now.

Yes, perhaps it was a poor analogy as abstinence training is dumb, and you are suggesting good things that will benefit society that I agree with, and credit to you for having these stances, but the point still stands that those things, yes, are going to lessen the problem and we'll have less people in prison, but it doesn't eliminate the problem. There will always be innocent people in prison. There will be people brought up correctly by their parents, that can still fall into hanging around the wrong people, and then they can fall into crime. Like I said, shit just happens in life. Drugs are addictive. Even kids who were raised right experiment with drugs, and some of them just end up getting hooked and then their life is screwed. I actually don't mind so much that you don't want to give voting rights to people currently in prison, and I wouldn't consider someone a bad person for holding that position. The thing I'd be more interested in convincing you is my view that it's not ok to have innocent people in jail, even if doing so may prevent some violent crimes. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and many leaders in history thought they were doing the right thing by being tough on crime at the expense of human rights. You say you worry about crime and your family, and I can completely respect that, but you know what would make me feel even less safe? If I knew I didn't have the right to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. If I knew that my family didn't have these rights.

(October 3, 2022 at 1:56 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:They deserved to be shot when some of them only committed misdemeanor crimes? Good thing you're not in charge.

Storming the capital building (which really is the only scenario where you would get on purpose) to stop the peaceful transition of power and murder politicians is not a misdemeanor. Thank god you are not in charge or they would have been treated with softer kitty gloves than they already have been.

Quote:The Capitol Police let people in. 

No, they didn't certain members didn't stop them because they couldn't stop them and other members were diralect in their duty and others were viciously attacked. So don't even try to paint this as not a storming of the capital building and some sanctioned act the cops were okay with......

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/video-...r-capitol/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capito...ing-video/

https://www.lawfareblog.com/policing-and...es-capitol

https://apnews.com/article/dc-wire-donal...143adf611a

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/...-trump-su/

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrectio...itol-riots

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/po...eport.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/for...t-n1253273

Quote:You start shooting people if you want a civil war or something. 

No, you shoot them if they try and storm the building. If you storm the capital building to stop the peaceful transition of power then you itching for a civil war in fact ironically the same kind of people who stormed the capital have been itching for such an event for years.

Quote:You start shooting people if you want to give their cause a huge boost and turn them into political martyrs.

No, you shoot them if they try and storm the building. If radical loony toons choose to treat those people as martyrs that's not your problem. Your job is to protect the building and the people inside.

Quote: You have no forethought, do you?

No, you simply want there no consequences for this sort of shit. Because you are scared of offending a group of violent lunatics who be violent lunatics regardless of how nice you play with them ......

Quote:The rednecks who held up at the Bureau of Land Management building? That situation turned out well for the government. 
The one guy seemed to be reaching for a gun when he was shot, so their side can't really say much about that, now can they? But if you just went in shooting all the people held up at the BLM building, then you've got another Waco situation, which could inspire another OKC bombing or far worse. You seriously have no forethought at all to consequences to government actions.

Translation "yield to violent lunatics because they might respond violently" You have no forethought in what that leads to. Oh, wait I forgot you think we should just have to "live with terrorism". You are a human doormat happy to let any group of extremist nutjobs walk all over you. Well, fuck that ....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...entencing/

Nearly half are charged only with misdemeanors

And I wasn't claiming the Capitol Police let everyone in. I meant they let some people in, and then you want those same people who were let in to be shot in the head.

So you basically are itching for a civil war yourself and you want to Waco rednecks every time they tick you off. Got it.

Quote:Nearly half are charged only with misdemeanors

Yup because like you the legal system treats right-wing terrorism with kiddy gloves. Same reason they didn't deploy enough officers at the capital building. Repeating the same mistake and they reap the consequences of their apathy when this happens again.

Quote:And I wasn't claiming the Capitol Police let everyone in. I meant they let some people in, and then you want those same people who were let in to be shot in the head.

No, they didn't. They didn't stop people because they couldn't stop them seriously I addressed this already. And the few instances where we have officers doing this were breaking the rules. Stop this bullshit that these people were allowed to be there. This was an illegal entry into a government building by a group of politically motivated extremists trying to override an election they lost and yes that is justification for using force up to the use of a firearm.

Quote:So you basically are itching for a civil war yourself and you want to Waco rednecks every time they tick you off. Got it.

Nope, I want to prevent a civil by making it clear we won't fuck around when they go too far. It's you( and the US justice system now) who in fact will permit civil war because you showed they can get away with this kind of nonsense with a wrist slap. But deploy any strawman you need to Mr. Doormat ....

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"Go ahead MR  violent Insurrectionist I wouldn't want to make you mad and cause you to get violent we just have live with terrorism after all"

"What you wanna override the results of an election go right ahead wouldn't want to start a civil war your already going to start by stopping you that would mean wanting to start a civil war "

(October 2, 2022 at 2:14 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Well, sometimes people lose their train of thought and those thoughts wander off.

It's part of being human.   Kinda like misspeaking.

There....re-railed.

Nice try.

(October 2, 2022 at 2:14 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Well, sometimes people lose their train of thought and those thoughts wander off.

It's part of being human.   Kinda like misspeaking.

There....re-railed.

Nice try.