(January 17, 2023 at 4:49 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(January 17, 2023 at 9:11 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: That doesn't make any sense. Developing countries emit 73% of CO2. Destruction of environment is a serious crime. Of course they should be punished and pay for harm they caused.

you are are shining example of how christianity not only make people stupid, ignorant and infantile, but vile and wicked as well.

Well I'm not a christian but what is wicked about proposing a fair and just solution to climate change?

Quote:Well I'm not a christian but what is wicked about proposing a fair and just solution to climate change?

Impoverishing poor countries will not solve climate change nor is it fair or just. Working together and contributing what each country can is both.

Quote:Huh? So if billions of people will die due to global warming it's not a crime? What is it then?

Living isn't a crime. The consequences of climate change my result in deaths but that's not the same as actual murder and the solution is not retribution it's working together within our means to fix the problem.

Quote:They should pay their fair share. Developing countries emit 73% of CO2. Are you denying this basic fact?

They should pay what they can pay that won't destroy them regardless of the percentage of CO2 they emit. Your is does not suggest an ought.

(January 17, 2023 at 9:11 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: That doesn't make any sense. Developing countries emit 73% of CO2. Destruction of environment is a serious crime. Of course they should be punished and pay for harm they caused.

Yeah, just a few things about how stupid you are:

-China, the US, India and Russia together are responsible of 56% of CO2 emissions (https://worldpopulationreview.com/countr...by-country). None of these are 'developing countries' (the World Bank and I have agreed to disagree about China and India). Can you explain how 100% - 73% = 56%?

-Developing countries tend to emit CO2 at a higher per capita rate than developed countries, but due to a lower population, they are causing less net damage to the environment.

-Developing countries are poor. They burn fossil fuels because they are poor. They are poor - in large part - due to exploitation by developed countries. How do you justify punishing exploited people?

Boru

(January 18, 2023 at 4:46 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Huh? So if billions of people will die due to global warming it's not a crime? What is it then?

Living isn't a crime. The consequences of climate change my result in deaths but that's not the same as actual murder and the solution is not retribution it's working together within our means to fix the problem.

Living irresponsibly in a way that harms environment and can cause billions of deaths is a crime. Poor coutnries are causing climate change and should pay their fair share to stop it.

(January 18, 2023 at 4:55 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(January 17, 2023 at 9:11 am)Dmitry1983 Wrote: That doesn't make any sense. Developing countries emit 73% of CO2. Destruction of environment is a serious crime. Of course they should be punished and pay for harm they caused.

Yeah, just a few things about how stupid you are:

-China, the US, India and Russia together are responsible of 56% of CO2 emissions (https://worldpopulationreview.com/countr...by-country). None of these are 'developing countries' (the World Bank and I have agreed to disagree about China and India). Can you explain how 100% - 73% = 56%?

-Developing countries tend to emit CO2 at a higher per capita rate than developed countries, but due to a lower population, they are causing less net damage to the environment.

-Developing countries are poor. They burn fossil fuels because they are poor. They are poor - in large part - due to exploitation by developed countries. How do you justify punishing exploited people?

Boru

China, India and Russia are low income developing countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing...ntry_lists
Developing countries emit 73% of CO2.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837
Being poor doesn't justify destruction of the planet. They should bear responsibility for their actions despite their income level

Quote:Living irresponsibly in a way that harms environment and can cause billions of deaths is a crime. Poor coutnries are causing climate change and should pay their fair share to stop it.

I repeat living is not a crime and not everyone should work together to solve the crisis within their economic means. Making countries poorer will not solve the issue.

(January 18, 2023 at 6:35 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Living irresponsibly in a way that harms environment and can cause billions of deaths is a crime. Poor coutnries are causing climate change and should pay their fair share to stop it.

I repeat living is not a crime and not everyone should work together to solve the crisis within their economic means. Making countries poorer will not solve the issue.

I repeat living irresponsibly in a way that harms environment and can cause billions of deaths is a crime.

Quote:China, India and Russia are low income developing countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing...ntry_lists
Developing countries emit 73% of CO2.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837
Being poor doesn't justify destruction of the planet. They should bear responsibility for their actions despite their income level

What percent they produce is irrelevant. Making those countries poorer will not stop climate change and everyone should work together with economic means to solve the issue. Poor countries should not be made poorer which is neither effective nor fair.