Merlin.

Not all knowledge requires justification or even articulation.

(March 23, 2023 at 8:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 4:47 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Do you think knowledge can be based on an accident? That knowledge based on an accident is real knowledge? In our philosophy classes, we defined knowledge as "Justified true belief that is not based on an accident.".

If I accidentally burn my hand at the forge, how is that not knowledge that forges are hot, but working out the temperature differentials scientifically is knowledge?

I suspect your philosophy class is garbage - there’s a LOT of disagreement among philosophers as to whether justification is a requirement of knowledge.

Boru

By "accidental" I mean the "accidental" as in the Peter Unger's thought experiment. It goes something like this: "There are two people waiting for a job interview: John and Mary. John is told that one who has 2 coins in his pocket will get the job. John has 2 coins in his pocket, so he supposes he will get a job. And John indeed gets a job. But what John didn't know is that Mary also had 2 coins in her pocket. So, can John be said to have known he would get a job? No, because he got it right by accident.".

I thought the consensus among philosophers ever since Plato's time is that justification is a requirement for knowledge. That is, among philosophers who are not radical skeptics, who reject the concept of knowledge.

(March 23, 2023 at 4:56 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Just couldn't say without access to the p-values.  I do wonder what the odds are that your being fractally wrong is a coincidence.

I don't understand what you mean.

(March 23, 2023 at 8:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Merlin.

What does that mean?

(March 23, 2023 at 8:57 pm)Helios Wrote: Not all knowledge requires justification or even articulation.

Then you are contradicting a 2-millenia old consensus in philosophy. Is that what you want?

Quote:Then you are contradicting a 2-millenia old consensus in philosophy. Is that what you want?

No I'm not 

(March 24, 2023 at 11:06 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 8:57 pm)Helios Wrote: Not all knowledge requires justification or even articulation.

Then you are contradicting a 2-millenia old consensus in philosophy. Is that what you want?

The consensus you’re imagining doesn’t exist. What constitutes ‘knowledge’ is very much an open question among epistemologists.

But that’s beside the point, which is whether a scientifically reached conclusion has a different value from the same conclusion reached by other means.

Boru

(March 24, 2023 at 11:05 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(March 23, 2023 at 8:56 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Merlin.

What does that mean?

It's a variation of Myrrdin.

(March 25, 2023 at 5:36 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(March 24, 2023 at 11:05 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: What does that mean?

It's a variation of Myrrdin.

I know that, but I can't guess what it means in this context.