(May 12, 2023 at 12:31 pm)Kingpin Wrote: Interesting, are you implying the old Epicurus notion of God?  What other things do you see that lead you to these attributes of God?  Interestingly I don't see a denial of God in this just a judgment of perceived acts (or lack thereof)

(May 12, 2023 at 12:41 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(May 12, 2023 at 12:31 pm)Kingpin Wrote: Interesting, are you implying the old Epicurus notion of God?  What other things do you see that lead you to these attributes of God?  Interestingly I don't see a denial of God in this just a judgment of perceived acts (or lack thereof)

The overall passivness of God, despide how He is endlessly praised for his divine attributes in the bible is very heart breaking.

(May 12, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Kingpin Wrote:

(May 12, 2023 at 12:41 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: The overall passivness of God, despide how He is endlessly praised for his divine attributes in the bible is very heart breaking.

Interesting, can I ask what you expect from God in light of what you see and are making judgments about?  What should He do?

(May 12, 2023 at 12:47 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(May 12, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Kingpin Wrote: Interesting, can I ask what you expect from God in light of what you see and are making judgments about?  What should He do?

Act less like Stalin. In ideal world God would answer more prayers. But that would be some sort of heavenly world.

(May 12, 2023 at 1:00 pm)Kingpin Wrote:

(May 12, 2023 at 12:47 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Act less like Stalin. In ideal world God would answer more prayers. But that would be some sort of heavenly world.

What evidence do you have that he doesn't answer prayers?  Too many people think prayers are like wishes.  This is MY desire, God please fulfill it.  Maybe His answer is no.  Or "not right now".  

Prayer is turning to God for His will to be done and to provide comfort and guidance in our time of need.  It's also to go to Him in gladness, thankfulness for provision, etc.  Like a toddler that looks to their parent for everything.  

I would of course argue that God has done something to provide a Heavenly world.  That is in the work of the person of Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection

(May 12, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Kingpin Wrote:

(May 12, 2023 at 12:41 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: The overall passivness of God, despide how He is endlessly praised for his divine attributes in the bible is very heart breaking.

Interesting, can I ask what you expect from God in light of what you see and are making judgments about?  What should He do?

(May 12, 2023 at 12:47 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Act less like Stalin. In ideal world God would answer more prayers. But that would be some sort of heavenly world.

(May 12, 2023 at 1:26 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(May 12, 2023 at 12:45 pm)Kingpin Wrote: Interesting, can I ask what you expect from God in light of what you see and are making judgments about?  What should He do?

Expectations are interesting.  If we're talking about expectations any rational person might have with respect to a god as a moral actor, at least as much as any human should do in a given situation?  If we don't expect gods to be moral actors, then I guess there are no shoulds for gods, just as there are no shoulds for a flesh eating virus.

In the latter case, the above is not so much a criticism of god, or a failed expectation - as it is a lament about how people, despite gods amorality or immorality, still sing it's praises as a morality maker.