The more I read the more it sounds like total bs!

(June 21, 2023 at 10:54 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 21, 2023 at 8:10 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Not familiar with “AND their food”

Got the chapter and verse for that?

NIV, Gen 6:20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.” So food or food animals were not to be counted in the 'pairs'

Quote:I was hoping you would bring up “'order to make it 7 pairs of clean animals and 2 pairs of unclean at the time they were loaded into the ark.”


That really changes how crowded and how much food would be needed, huh R?

Nope. Not if 98% of all birds, insects, and reptiles are in egg form, and 95% of all mammals are in baby form. Not to mention there are more unclean animals than clean animals.
This would mean no food needed for the insects birds or reptiles stored as eggs. And if the majority of the mammals are drinking milk then all one would need is lots of hay for the dairy animals.

Quote:What gymnastics maneuver is needed for this?

Maybe you haven't put it together yet but this whole putting eggs on the ark and baby mammals instead of full size adults is what makes it all work, as again it reduces the space needed to house the animals, the variety/quantity of food needed, any specialized environment requirement they may have or may create, and any threats from predatory or parasitic passengers on the ark.

Who is going to make sure the babies come onboard without any parasites?

More magic dust?

(June 21, 2023 at 9:06 am)no one Wrote: Tell me just how many species there are, asshat.

The fable of Noah and his arc, is absolutely ridiclous.

One of you told me about 8 million if I remember correctly.

But who said Noah had to load up every kind of species? all he needed to load was a genetically compatible master representative of a given species which given enough time could very well have developed into our current 8 million species.

kinda like how there are maybe 30 types of Canidae which breaks down in to every breed of dog, wolf, coyote, mink, fox, etc etc.. Thousands of species of 'dog/canine' all come from maybe 30 'grandfather' type of animals loaded on the ark.

Also Noah loaded Whatever animals God sent to him.

Shit's gettin' deep in here. Roll up your pants, it's too late to save your shoes.

(June 21, 2023 at 9:44 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(June 17, 2023 at 2:30 pm)Ahriman Wrote: I don't agree with Farmer, but isn't chattering like, the basis of discussion?

Nonsensical chatter is NOT.

If you need me to explain things for you so they make sense, just ask or PM me.

(June 21, 2023 at 9:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(June 21, 2023 at 8:49 am)R-Farmer Wrote: Again, why would God create a world that He Could only supernaturally manipulate? Would it not make more sense to create a world that maybe He held the keys to rather than being forced to magic his will into being? 

What you are describing is a god having to force his will upon what he supposedly created by having to resort to supernatural/magical processes to accomplish what wants done. Does this sound like someone who had knowledge of everything to come and the power to create or build in a way to accomplish what He wanted done without supernaturally manipulating it?

Because that does not at all sound like the god the Bible is describing to me.

I assume gods do wtf gods want.  If that’s making miracle boats and miracling them full of animals so it can miracle up a storm, so be it.

I’m just pointing out that the final stop on this apologetic tour is to reduce the wholly miraculous flood narrative to a guy floating down a creek on the top of his chicken shed.

That the god you believe in?  The god of the runaway coop and wholly natural explanations?

yup.

(June 21, 2023 at 10:29 am)Tomato Wrote: Yeah, but, who traveled all around the world to collect these eggs just to bring them back to the ark?

Again, God sent the animals to Noah. Noah loaded them. If you had limited space on your boat.. which would you take a chicken that take about 3 cubic feet of space and about 40 pounds of food/grain. Or an egg which requires no food, and less the 3 cubic inches of space?

(June 21, 2023 at 11:12 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 21, 2023 at 9:44 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Nonsensical chatter is NOT.

If you need me to explain things for you so they make sense, just ask or PM me.

You have been explaining things.   The only thing the explanation you provided had clarified is you are a disgracefully ignorant and wishthinking idiot upon whose lamentable credulity this malevolent bullshitting religion of yours have gleefully played.

Why would Noah need to build a boat at all, if god wanted to save some animals he could just magic them safe... he is supposed to all powerful after all.
What happened to the fish, salt water fish die in fresh water, fresh water fish die in salt water, did he just magic up a divider in the water to keep the salty water seperate from the fresh?

(June 21, 2023 at 10:57 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: Maybe our gracious “farmer” here would care to learn that most reptile and bird eggs will not hatch if their orientations are disturbed more than a few days after being laid?,

citation please.

Quote:because the orientation of the embryo, yoke and air space would be settled shortly after the embryo begins to form and turning the egg over after that point over will kill the embryo?. 

lol.. Someone doesn't own chickens/had to incubate and rotate eggs. Most birds jostle and rotate their eggs. In fact there may have been a bigger issue of all eggs needing to be rotated to ensure proper embryo development. 

Quote:So the damned bunny had better not hop while carrying the eggs, it had better walk very gingerly.  

This was already discussed in the incubation of said eggs as the would in fact be kept/stored in hay/compost.

Quote:NOw how long would a tiptoeing bunny with a basketful of lizard or bird eggs take to tip toe from the deserts of, well, just about anywhere, to Noah’s shipyard?

Again.. already discussed.
God sent animals to the ark. Noah was responsibility was to load them. If a chicken that take up 3 cubic feet, and needs 30 lbs of food. shows up and lays eggs that take up less than 3 cubic inches, and requires no food. which do you think He would load up?

Quote:    Did I mention if the embryos were not killed because they got bumped, the eggs would generally hatch within, oh from a couple of weeks to a couple of month?   

irrelevant. The ark was afloat 150 days total. gen 7:24

Quote:Btw, did I mention if one puts all of the eggs of some species of lizard together in one place to carry or incubate, the eggs will likely all hatch into babies or the same sex?  

Irrelevant. Do you not understand my senecio well enough to provide a cohesive objection that address the points I am making?

Quote:See, many lizard’s sex are not determined by genes but by the temperature at which the eggs are incubated.   put the the eggs together in one place, and if the eggs survive, the chances are the hatchlings will all emerge as the same sex.

your assuming the egg incubation is based on ambient air temp. I pointed out the best method to incubate eggs would have been in a compost pile perhaps made from hay and manure. As a composting pile can reach internal temps of 160*F towards the center of the pile. meaning one could control the temp of the incubation by the egg placement in the pile.

And while temp does play a factor in sex, the variance in gender is not 100% determined by it. meaning if all eggs were subject to say warmer conditions before incubation all hatchlings wouldn't be male. By that I mean you might see a 60% male hatchling rate. I know most hatcheries subject chicken eggs to colder ambient temps for several days so that more hens will hatch. Even so the hath rate is not all female. there's just more females than males. which is not a bad thing if you think about it for the purposes of repopulating the world relatively quickly.

I would be glad to provide you with a link if I could.