(June 22, 2023 at 10:18 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 9:46 am)R-Farmer Wrote: Gen 7: 
15 All these animals went into the boat with Noah. They came in groups of two from every kind of animal that had the breath of life. (breath of life means living breathing thing. as opposed to a tree or plant which is living but does not breathe.)

Shut up, shit can genesis, go back to the 4th grade, retake elementary school introductory science class.

Your atheist buddy wanted book chapter and verse. why are you mad? because I answer his question with in the specific information he requested? If reading book chapter and verse from the Bible offends you maybe talk to your buddies to not ask me to provide it. As I don't generally quote the Bible unless I am asked to quote it.

(June 22, 2023 at 10:21 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 9:46 am)R-Farmer Wrote: Gen 7: 
15 All these animals went into the boat with Noah. They came in groups of two from every kind of animal that had the breath of life. (breath of life means living breathing thing. as opposed to a tree or plant which is living but does not breathe.)

Eggs breathe?  Who knew?

in fact they do!

"How do animals, such as chickens, which develop inside an egg outside of their mothers' bodies and therefore do not have umbilical cords, take in oxygen and get rid of carbon dioxide? Bird and reptile eggs have a hard shell. Directly under the shell are two membranes. Between the membranes is a small air cell, also called an air sack, filled with oxygen. As the animal develops it uses the oxygen, which must be replenished, and it also has to release carbon dioxide. How does this happen? Well, if you examine a chicken egg carefully with a magnifying glass, you'll see that there are tiny little holes, called pores, in the shell. In this activity, we'll see how those work to let the developing chick breathe."

-The Scientific American (its a website.) Google scientific American "how developing chicks breathe in side the eggs." for the full article.

(June 22, 2023 at 10:23 am)h4ym4n Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 9:46 am)R-Farmer Wrote: Gen 7: 
15 All these animals went into the boat with Noah. They came in groups of two from every kind of animal that had the breath of life. (breath of life means living breathing thing. as opposed to a tree or plant which is living but does not breathe.)

“They came in groups of two from every kind of animal that had the breath of life. ”

So that screws up you egg theory, right R-F.  

Can we mark this down as another learning experience?

It sounds like you are making more stuff up

and if eggs breathe?

(June 22, 2023 at 10:41 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 10:01 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: You really believe he was 600 years old?
really?
honestly?

why not? In the mapping the human genome they found the genes responsible for our degradation in aging. along with environmental issues maybe we are only living a life span that is a fraction of our potential.

maybe... maybe not, but 600 years is pure fantasy, if you believe that you will believe anything... oh wait... you do!

(June 22, 2023 at 10:26 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Not to mention that plants DO breathe, which is what I think Anomalocaris was getting at. All the land-based plants that weren't washed away would have drowned.

did Noah know that plants breathed? did God send any plants to Noah one male one female? Did god have plants march onto the ark? As breathing was only one requirement of getting on the ark.

(June 22, 2023 at 10:41 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 10:01 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote: You really believe he was 600 years old?
really?
honestly?

why not? In the mapping the human genome they found the genes responsible for our degradation in aging. along with environmental issues maybe we are only living a life span that is a fraction of our potential.

Uh, no.   There is good molecular reason to suppose fundamental upper limit of human life span is in the ball park of the maximum human life span actually on a real record, that is somewhere short of 150 years.

And no, Bible is not a real record.

(June 22, 2023 at 10:27 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 8:44 am)R-Farmer Wrote: back into the earth. there is more water in the earth than on it. a pbs documentary/webpage claims there is 3x more water in the earth than on it.

Remember the 40 days of rain was only a partial contributor to the flood the geysers opened up all over the earth as well as the deep/oceans spewed water from it's depths. the water receded the same way.

So you know that water in earth and not on it is mostly not water as you would find in the ocean, in rain, or in any flood?     That water is mostly chemically bound in minerals?   Ie they are not exact wet, as you might say?

And of that water which will separate out as wet stuff when pressure is released, they exist at pressure and temperatures not like the ignoramuses who conceived the genesis bullshit, or even dumber yokels like you for you are exactly as ignorant as they but live in a much more knowledgeable age, can imagine?   They are supersaturated and they in fact are what power explosive part of explosive volcanic eruptions like krakatau, mt st. Helens, and yellowstone super volcano?     Yes, water in the earth are explosive.     If it were not, volcanos would be effusive, not explosive.   

So you still think water boiled out of earth to a depth to submerge mountains?

"Sometimes the porous rock layers become tilted in the earth. There might be a confining layer of less porous rock both above and below the porous layer. This is an example of a confined aquifer. In this case, the rocks surrounding the aquifer confines the pressure in the porous rock and its water. If a well is drilled into this "pressurized" aquifer, the internal pressure might (depending on the ability of the rock to transport water) be enough to push the water up the well and up to the surface without the aid of a pump, sometimes completely out of the well. This type of well is called artesian. The pressure of water from an artesian well can be quite dramatic.

A relationship does not necessarily exist between the water-bearing capacity of rocks and the depth at which they are found. A very dense granite that will yield little or no water to a well may be exposed at the land surface. Conversely, a porous sandstone may lie hundreds or thousands of feet below the land surface and may yield hundreds of gallons per minute of water. Rocks that yield freshwater  have been found at depths of more than 6,000 feet, and salty water has come from oil wells at depths of more than 30,000 feet. On the average, however, the porosity and permeability of rocks decrease as their depth below land surface increases; the pores and cracks in rocks at great depths are closed or greatly reduced in size because of the weight of overlying rocks."

Sourced from the United States geological survey website.

(June 22, 2023 at 11:04 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 10:26 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Not to mention that plants DO breathe, which is what I think Anomalocaris was getting at. All the land-based plants that weren't washed away would have drowned.

did Noah know that plants breathed? did God send any plants to Noah one male one female? Did god have plants march onto the ark? As breathing was only one requirement of getting on the ark.

Noah didn;t know and god didn’t know,

 But that’s because both Noah was the figment of the imagination of people who concocted the flood story probably during the late Stone Age,  whose tale was then stolen by ignorant Bronze Age hucksters who made up this Yahweh character , so neither yehweh nor Noah would have known what people who were probably ignorant even by the standards of the Bronze Age happen to not know.

(June 22, 2023 at 11:02 am)zebo-the-fat Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 10:41 am)R-Farmer Wrote: why not? In the mapping the human genome they found the genes responsible for our degradation in aging. along with environmental issues maybe we are only living a life span that is a fraction of our potential.

maybe... maybe not, but 600 years is pure fantasy, if you believe that you will believe anything...  oh wait... you do!

maybe... maybe not. 

I know one thing or sure.. I don't know enough to know for sure. So is it possible.. sure why not.. it is just as possible as it is not possible. Will I live to be 600? I hope not. I want to do finish my tour and go home.

(June 22, 2023 at 11:20 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 22, 2023 at 10:27 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: So you know that water in earth and not on it is mostly not water as you would find in the ocean, in rain, or in any flood?     That water is mostly chemically bound in minerals?   Ie they are not exact wet, as you might say?

And of that water which will separate out as wet stuff when pressure is released, they exist at pressure and temperatures not like the ignoramuses who conceived the genesis bullshit, or even dumber yokels like you for you are exactly as ignorant as they but live in a much more knowledgeable age, can imagine?   They are supersaturated and they in fact are what power explosive part of explosive volcanic eruptions like krakatau, mt st. Helens, and yellowstone super volcano?     Yes, water in the earth are explosive.     If it were not, volcanos would be effusive, not explosive.   

So you still think water boiled out of earth to a depth to submerge mountains?

"Sometimes the porous rock layers become tilted in the earth. There might be a confining layer of less porous rock both above and below the porous layer. This is an example of a confined aquifer. In this case, the rocks surrounding the aquifer confines the pressure in the porous rock and its water. If a well is drilled into this "pressurized" aquifer, the internal pressure might (depending on the ability of the rock to transport water) be enough to push the water up the well and up to the surface without the aid of a pump, sometimes completely out of the well. This type of well is called artesian. The pressure of water from an artesian well can be quite dramatic.

A relationship does not necessarily exist between the water-bearing capacity of rocks and the depth at which they are found. A very dense granite that will yield little or no water to a well may be exposed at the land surface. Conversely, a porous sandstone may lie hundreds or thousands of feet below the land surface and may yield hundreds of gallons per minute of water. Rocks that yield freshwater  have been found at depths of more than 6,000 feet, and salty water has come from oil wells at depths of more than 30,000 feet. On the average, however, the porosity and permeability of rocks decrease as their depth below land surface increases; the pores and cracks in rocks at great depths are closed or greatly reduced in size because of the weight of overlying rocks."

Sourced from the United States geological survey website.

Uh, quote mining without an understanding of the actual science behind it may do for showing off how pathetic is one’s attachment to fantasies in the “scripture”.    but it will not do as substitute for actual knowledge of reality

The porous aquifer in the shallow crust does not contain 3 times as much water as on the surface.  it contains far less.    but it will take far more wate than in all the aquafers to raise sea level to drown St. louis, much less than tallest mountain.   The 3 times as much water that is inside the earth primarily exist inside the mantle of the earth much deeper down, in chemically bound water inside mantle rocks.   They don’t exist 6000 or 30,000 feet down.   They exist from 30-3000 miles down.   They are not wet, as you might be able to frame in reference.   They did not get down there because water percolated through the aquafer.   this is because pressure more than 10 miles down does not permit any porosity to continue to exist in rocks.   They were there either as original part of rock’s composition when earth first formed, or were dragged under when water saturated sediments became pulled into the mantle at subduction plate boundaries over the age of the earth.  And they return slowly to the surface through volcanos, in a long term water cycle between mantle and crust that last hundreds of millions of years,  not 40 days nor even 40 thousand years.  And slowly is good because they are explosive when they are brought up to the surface quickly.    If all that water is suddenly released on the surface, it would be 1. Impossible, 2. Incinerate the surface of the earth in a blanket of superheated vapor much hotter than what is required to melt lead.