(June 23, 2023 at 10:19 am)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 23, 2023 at 2:48 am)Ravenshire Wrote: You trust Joe Rogan?!? I knew you were a credulous fuck-tard, but holy fucking crispy christ...

so no takers? No one wants to discuss the geological evidence provided on this pod cast?

No, no-one wants to engage you in your argument from ignorance. 

(June 23, 2023 at 1:27 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 23, 2023 at 11:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's also a requirement for surviving a devasting global flood. All that pretzel logic to explain how the animals survived, but you're still left with 'God magicked it that way' to explain the survival of the land plants.

Also you do get that God is actually the one making all of this work right? The Flood narrative is not meant to be received as a logistical tale of how one man and his family saved the world from an angry God, but rather how god used one man's faith to save the world and all the living creatures in it from an evil this world has not seen since.

I get that, because the logistic tale speaks too clearly that god is bullshit and faith is bullshit and god using faith is bullshit squared, and it is not even halfway decently entertaining nor even very original bullshit either.

(June 23, 2023 at 1:27 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 23, 2023 at 11:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's also a requirement for surviving a devasting global flood. All that pretzel logic to explain how the animals survived, but you're still left with 'God magicked it that way' to explain the survival of the land plants.

common man... Seriously? Do you not know how SEEDS work? whether stored away on the ark or left out in the wild, once the water receded that would have simply germinated. 

Also you do get that God is actually the one making all of this work right? The Flood narrative is not meant to be received as a logistical tale of how one man and his family saved the world from an angry God, but rather how god used one man's faith to save the world and all the living creatures in it from an evil this world has not seen since.

Some things (not necessarily this in particular) just need to be left to God. As with all things there is alway a balance to be found

“once the water receded that would have simply germinated”

Plenty of dead bloated men women and babies and all the dead bloated animals will make miraculous fertilizer, right R-Farmer?

that’s more of the kind of deeply ignorant and delusionally flippant bullshit that we can not but be expected to come from our  “farmer” here.  most seed plants seeds can’t survive prolonged immersion in water.  some land plant seeds germinate better if soaked for a few days.       but almost all will be killed if soaked for a few weeks and never germinate.   soak the seeds for a few month and almost all of them would have decomposed or disintegrated.

(June 22, 2023 at 3:43 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: or you can google Joe rogan evidence world wide flood.

Joe has a published geologist on that shows conclusive evidence of a world wide flood.

Or google Joe Rogan's investigation that Obama was born in Kenya. Am I right, Farmer?

(June 24, 2023 at 12:01 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: that’s more of the kind of deeply ignorant and delusionally flippant bullshit that we can not but be expected to come from our  “farmer” here.  most seed plants seeds can’t survive prolonged immersion in water.  some land plant seeds germinate better if soaked for a few days.       but almost all will be killed if soaked for a few weeks and never germinate.   soak the seeds for a few month and almost all of them would have decomposed or disintegrated.

Also, there is the matter of salt water even diluted salt water effects on land plants.

(June 23, 2023 at 1:27 pm)R-Farmer Wrote:

(June 23, 2023 at 11:22 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: It's also a requirement for surviving a devasting global flood. All that pretzel logic to explain how the animals survived, but you're still left with 'God magicked it that way' to explain the survival of the land plants.

common man... Seriously? Do you not know how SEEDS work? whether stored away on the ark or left out in the wild, once the water receded that would have simply germinated. 

Also you do get that God is actually the one making all of this work right? The Flood narrative is not meant to be received as a logistical tale of how one man and his family saved the world from an angry God, but rather how god used one man's faith to save the world and all the living creatures in it from an evil this world has not seen since.

Some things (not necessarily this in particular) just need to be left to God. As with all things there is alway a balance to be found

More ad hoc additons to your story and you talk like I'm an idiot for not knowing what you're going to add next? You're the one treating it like a logistical problem with all your trying to make it add up to natural explanations. It's a story about the wages of sin and the limits of God's patience; but you're bound and determined to have it make logical sense too.

I'm going to try to predict the next twist in your story (it stopped being the story in the Bible long ago): How did the seeds arrive from all over the world? The animals picked them up on their way to the ark, and dropped them back off when they went home through the barren washed out landscape (some of them walking or flying thousands of miles) with nothing growing on it without eating them, or each other.

On the 'out in the wild' thing, I have no idea how to approach a farmer who thinks you can soak the seeds in land plants in salt water AND subject them to the pressure of being miles underwater, and expect them to germinate.

double post

Farmhand, when are you, and other morons like you going to understand that your stupid fucking book, doesn't illustrate reality in any way, shape, or form?

There is no such thing as god. The flood never happened.

(June 24, 2023 at 12:01 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: that’s more of the kind of deeply ignorant and delusionally flippant bullshit that we can not but be expected to come from our  “farmer” here.  most seed plants seeds can’t survive prolonged immersion in water.  some land plant seeds germinate better if soaked for a few days.       but almost all will be killed if soaked for a few weeks and never germinate.   soak the seeds for a few month and almost all of them would have decomposed or disintegrated.

You are aware that 'most seeds' are not exposed to the environment, as they all come prepackaged in some sort of chaff or pod right? This utter shell or even fruit of the seed seal and protect the actual seed embryo. This protective layer is so strong it can in fact live through the digestive processes/acids in the gut of most animals.

That it normally take months of exposure to water and soil which through the decomposition of this outer shell and membrane allows the pod to errode away enough for the seed to germinate. That is One of the reasons why plants bloom in the spring after the rain. in the wild seeds are exposed many rain cycles or even constant direct contact moisture. for MOST of the Year. yet do not germinate till the spring. as the seed needs to sense a weather change, and moisture.

from britannica online:

The seeds of many species do not germinate immediately after exposure to conditions generally favourable for growth but require a “breaking” of dormancy, which may be associated with change in the seed coats or with the state of the embryo itself. Commonly, the embryo has no dormancy and will develop after the seed coat is removed or sufficiently damaged to allow water to enter. Germination in such cases depends upon rotting or abrasion of the seed coat in the gut of an animal or in the soil. 

So the seeds (In most cases) are good indefinitely so longe as this putter 'seed coat'/shell remains intact.

Note to staff: I have removed links from this quotes several times now, and it seems they regenerate. I'm not sure how or why this is happening or how to stop it.