But ... OP.. how can infinite regress be impossible if theism is true ? isn't the sequence of God's states of existence or decisions extended infinitely in the past, since God is eternal ?

(July 14, 2023 at 4:24 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: But ... OP.. how can infinite regress be impossible if theism is true ? isn't the sequence of God's states of existence or decisions extended infinitely in the past, since God is eternal ?

No. 
God is "timeless", your invocation of time is meaningless for an "eternal", (timeless) being. 
Philosophy 101.

Theism is not true, and in fact incoherent.

(July 14, 2023 at 4:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(July 14, 2023 at 4:24 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: But ... OP.. how can infinite regress be impossible if theism is true ? isn't the sequence of God's states of existence or decisions extended infinitely in the past, since God is eternal ?

No. 
God is "timeless", your invocation of time is meaningless for an "eternal", (timeless) being. 
Philosophy 101.

Theism is not true, and in fact incoherent.

We can define time in other ways, such as a sequence of decisions or mental states, it doesn't have to be time as conceived in physics. So, save us your lack of imagination.

And please don't make a fool of yourself by claiming that theism is incoherent, because I know you know you can't prove it.

(July 14, 2023 at 4:41 pm)Loaded dice Wrote:

(July 14, 2023 at 4:28 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: No. 
God is "timeless", your invocation of time is meaningless for an "eternal", (timeless) being. 
Philosophy 101.

Theism is not true, and in fact incoherent.

We can define time in other ways, such as a sequence of decisions or mental states, it doesn't have to be time as conceived in physics. So, save us your lack of imagination.



And please don't make a fool of yourself by claiming that theism is incoherent, because I know you know you can't prove it.

How are sequences, decisions, and mental states NOT physics?

There’s actually a sizable chunk of philosophy that makes a good case for theism being incoherent. Look stuff up, whydoancha?

Boru

(July 14, 2023 at 4:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(July 14, 2023 at 4:41 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: We can define time in other ways, such as a sequence of decisions or mental states, it doesn't have to be time as conceived in physics. So, save us your lack of imagination.

And please don't make a fool of yourself by claiming that theism is incoherent, because I know you know you can't prove it.

How are sequences, decisions, and mental states NOT physics?

There’s actually a sizable chunk of philosophy that makes a good case for theism being incoherent. Look stuff up, whydoancha?

Boru

A sequence requires time. Don't be stupid. One ... after the other.  I have already proven it.

(July 14, 2023 at 5:00 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(July 14, 2023 at 4:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How are sequences, decisions, and mental states NOT physics?

There’s actually a sizable chunk of philosophy that makes a good case for theism being incoherent. Look stuff up, whydoancha?

Boru

A sequence requires time. Don't be stupid. One ... after the other.  I have already proven it.

Ok, I’ll try to be less stupid. No promises, though.

Boru

(July 14, 2023 at 4:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: How are sequences, decisions, and mental states NOT physics?

Because we can conceive of disembodied minds making decisions. Again, your lack of imagination won't help you score any points in an argument.

(July 14, 2023 at 4:56 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There’s actually a sizable chunk of philosophy that makes a good case for theism being incoherent. Look stuff up, whydoancha?

I was reading this stuff for over a decade. Now go ahead and bring it on, give us the best piece of philosophy you read about theism being incoherent.

(July 14, 2023 at 5:06 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: Because we can conceive of disembodied minds making decisions. Again, your lack of imagination won't help you score any points in an argument.

I can conceive of Pink Sparkly Unicorns. 
Does that make them real ?

(July 14, 2023 at 5:11 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(July 14, 2023 at 5:06 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: Because we can conceive of disembodied minds making decisions. Again, your lack of imagination won't help you score any points in an argument.

I can conceive of Pink Sparkly Unicorns. 
Does that make them real ?

It makes them logically possible.