Early 80s. I am a bit younger than you and was a bit older than most when I joined.

Hello.

(August 10, 2023 at 7:49 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: Hi

I was an adult convert to Christianity, and then spent 20 years within the church as a very active member.  I wanted to be a minister, gained a degree in Christian Theology, and taught Religious Studies for some years.

As I studied I had to keep changing my theological position in the light of better arguments, new evidence, and my lived experience.  Christianity was unpleasant and difficult.  I became more and more liberal, painfully facing theological, ethical, and biblical issue after issue after issue.  It is like spinning plates - as soon as you find some apologetic for one issue, then the knock-on ramifications of that 'solution' cause some other dogma to wobble and you have to 'solve' that, and so on.

At some point it all became too ridiculous and tiring to continue.  There were simply too many wobbling plates, too much evidence against, too many problems.  And it was just best to let them all fall and go do something else with my life.

And so I did.  It was a hard long process that slow erosion of my faith.  Not easy.  And I have great sympathy with those who struggle in that way.  I have ex-Christian friends who are still scared of hell years later.  And the negative effects of religious abuse, or poor faith-informed life choices still haunts them (as it does me).  

And it's not easy being outside of all faiths now either.  Although in many ways it opened up new vistas of freedom and liberty, and removed many burdens of guilt and cognitive dissonance, it came with its own burdens of felt absence and loss - and the nihilistic, physicalist universe I now accept as the most likely accurate view of reality holds little comfort and much horror.

It seems you cannot really win, and I appreciate how hard it is to de-convert and how hard it can be for some to face the nature of reality without faith.

So that's me, and why I'm here, I guess

Feel free to ask question or make comments.

Not going to find any solace over here among this group. They believe that a fully functional human brain organ developed without a 'mind' previously existing. Well, it could be you also believe that. If that be the case, then you became vain in imagnation and your foolish heart became darkened.

@snowtracks

Quote:Not going to find any solace over here among this group. They believe that a fully functional human brain organ developed without a 'mind' previously existing. Well, it could be you also believe that. If that be the case, then you became vain in imagnation and your foolish heart became darkened.

It's a pity that, with all the rules, strictures and prohibitions in your religion, there isn't one that tells you to not act like a complete twat all the time.

Boru

(August 10, 2023 at 7:35 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Early 80s.  I am a bit younger than you and was a bit older than most when I joined.

Ten-ish years then. Early '80s I was Yokosuka.

I wonder what is going on that some people find faith easier to accept than others???

anyone care to briefly summarise where they stand and why??

(August 11, 2023 at 10:16 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I wonder what is going on that some people find faith easier to accept than others???

anyone care to briefly summarise where they stand and why??

I grew up atheist, became Christian for 25 years, and then reverted to atheist.

In my experience, faith fulfilled an emotional need.  It certainly didn't fulfill an intellectual one.

(August 11, 2023 at 10:16 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I wonder what is going on that some people find faith easier to accept than others???

anyone care to briefly summarise where they stand and why??

Some people don't question the faith they were brought up in.  I followed along because I thought that's what we are supposed to do.  Then things started not making sense.  Finally I realized that I was told that I believe and not that I really believed.

There are people who need something, and for them belief fills a need.

(August 11, 2023 at 10:22 am)HappySkeptic Wrote:

(August 11, 2023 at 10:16 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I wonder what is going on that some people find faith easier to accept than others???

anyone care to briefly summarise where they stand and why??

I grew up atheist, became Christian for 25 years, and then reverted to atheist.

In my experience, faith fulfilled an emotional need.  It certainly didn't fulfill an intellectual one.

intellectually you felt that you were always trying to keep your religion going?? Like propping it up becomes exhausting?

(August 11, 2023 at 10:23 am)arewethereyet Wrote: ... ... ...  Then things started not making sense.  ... ... ...

have you got an example of something that didn't make any sense??