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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 10:40 am
(August 11, 2023 at 10:31 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: intellectually you felt that you were always trying to keep your religion going?? Like propping it up becomes exhausting?
That's partly true. Eventually I couldn't reconcile the dissonance. The belief simply fell away at one point. I knew I didn't believe it, and quit the church.
The loss of belief was freeing. It was like a weight was removed. Cognitive dissonance has a price. I did miss the community, but I went to a new UU community.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 10:50 am
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(August 11, 2023 at 10:40 am)HappySkeptic Wrote: (August 11, 2023 at 10:31 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: intellectually you felt that you were always trying to keep your religion going?? Like propping it up becomes exhausting?
That's partly true. Eventually I couldn't reconcile the dissonance. The belief simply fell away at one point. I knew I didn't believe it, and quit the church.
The loss of belief was freeing. It was like a weight was removed. Cognitive dissonance has a price. I did miss the community, but I went to a new UU community.
I wonder what people think of when they think of god??
I think of a being that we are too small to fully understand.
I think of religion as having a job to do, which is to be a stepping stone to a slightly clearer view of god.
So it doesn't need to be all correct all the time. It needs to have bits that can get us closer to viewing god.
I guess the question "why do i even believe in god in the first place" - I don't know the answer.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 10:55 am
(August 11, 2023 at 10:50 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I wonder what people think of when they think of god??
Good question. Perhaps a topic for another thread.
Some Christians think that atheists just have a poor concept of God. The argument "well, I (Christian) don't believe in the god you don't believe in, either" is meant to say that if we only had the "right" concept of God, we'd believe.
Nope.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 11:02 am
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(August 11, 2023 at 10:55 am)HappySkeptic Wrote: (August 11, 2023 at 10:50 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I wonder what people think of when they think of god??
Good question. Perhaps a topic for another thread.
Some Christians think that atheists just have a poor concept of God. The argument "well, I (Christian) don't believe in the god you don't believe in, either" is meant to say that if we only had the "right" concept of God, we'd believe.
Nope. I made a little edit to my post.
But yes, I guess a person would want to know "what" we are not believing in or not believing in.
I suppose people want to bring you back into the tribe too.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 2:49 pm
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Whilst I have some sympathy and understanding of the xtian POV, I have come to believe that religion does more harm than good in the world at present. I don't think it a 'good' thing to be religious.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 7:52 pm
(August 11, 2023 at 2:49 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote: Whilst I have some sympathy and understanding of the xtian POV, I have come to believe that religion does more harm than good in the world at present. I don't think it a 'good' thing to be religious.
I like the Christians who gave up their lifeboat seats when the Titanic was sinking.
Oh, wait, none of them did that.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 8:00 pm
(August 11, 2023 at 10:55 am)HappySkeptic Wrote: (August 11, 2023 at 10:50 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I wonder what people think of when they think of god??
Some Christians think that atheists just have a poor concept of God. The argument "well, I (Christian) don't believe in the god you don't believe in, either" is meant to say that if we only had the "right" concept of God, we'd believe.
The God I don't believe in is the one in the Bible, the one who drowned all the babies and puppies on the planet.
If Christians tell me they don't believe in that God either that makes two of us.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 8:35 pm
(August 11, 2023 at 4:43 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @snowtracks
Quote:Not going to find any solace over here among this group. They believe that a fully functional human brain organ developed without a 'mind' previously existing. Well, it could be you also believe that. If that be the case, then you became vain in imagnation and your foolish heart became darkened.
It's a pity that, with all the rules, strictures and prohibitions in your religion, there isn't one that tells you to not act like a complete twat all the time.
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There are those amongst us that shun light & truth.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 11, 2023 at 8:44 pm
(August 11, 2023 at 8:35 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (August 11, 2023 at 4:43 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: @snowtracks
It's a pity that, with all the rules, strictures and prohibitions in your religion, there isn't one that tells you to not act like a complete twat all the time.
Boru
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Light and truth is utterly worthless next to Facts and deduction.
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RE: Ex-Christian
August 14, 2023 at 2:38 am
For de-converts, what led to your loss of faith?
How did you handle it?
How is life on the other side?
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