Quote:None because it doesn't have elections.

Well that's damning 

Quote:The people in the west on the other hand elect their leaders. 

Yup which alone  is more proof we stand on a higher moral ground 

Quote:Thus they can prevent psychopaths like Biden or Trump from reaching the presidency.

Biden is no psychopath he has shown more compassion for the Palestinians than Hamas or any Arab leader has so far. 

Quote:They can outset Macron.

Hell, even Macron has shown more compassion for the Palestinians than Hamas or any Arab leader has so far.  

Quote:And so on.

Yes and so on 

Quote:But they didn't do shit. 

America has tried and has succeeded in holding Israelis back and is giving aid to the  Palestinians which is more than the Arab world is doing 

Quote:America had candidates like Bernie Sanders, 

 Bernie Sanders has condemned Hamas. Has supported Biden's push for aid and his call for Isreal's restraint 

Quote:why didn't they give him their voice ?

They already have 

Quote:But no, they will elect sons of bitches, murderers who contributed to massacres like the Iraq war.

Yes because Iraq was a total paradise before the US invasion 

Quote:Ask yourself: is an empire like that falling or not ?

America is not an empire and no it's not going to fall

(October 21, 2023 at 6:46 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Another non-answer from you.  I am done with you other than admin duties.

I can't pretend that your beliefs and politics aren't repulsive.  Which means you are also repulsive to me.

I'm not the problem here.
The problem is the masses of piled up bodies in Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and more places because of direct or indirect western intervention.

I'm repulsive, sure, but the U.S army is terrifying. American bombs are causing children PTSDs and making the Gaza children soil their pants.

Humanity needs a brave generation that stands against this butchery, double standards and ethnic cleansing.

Bad deeds pile up.
Proud to be a repulsive fella, if repulsive means saying the truth.

A villain can speak the truth, yet still perform bad deeds.

(October 21, 2023 at 7:19 pm)Foxaèr Wrote: A villain can speak the truth, yet still perform bad deeds.

@WinterHold doesn't speak truth. He speaks opinions and claims they are truth.

Quote:I'm not the problem here.

Yes you are buddy 

Quote:The problem is the masses of piled up bodies in Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and more places because of direct or indirect western intervention.

As opposed to the bodies those people piled up prior to said intervention 

Quote:I'm repulsive, sure, but the U.S army is terrifying. American bombs are causing children PTSDs and making the Gaza children soil their pants.

As opposed to all the horrible shit Hamas has done. Do you think the Children who Hamas has terrorized are any less traumatized?

Quote:Humanity needs a brave generation that stands against this butchery, double standards and ethnic cleansing.

Yup, they need to stand up to the Muslim world's double standard of blaming everyone but themselves. Complaining about our surgical strikes against people who loudly and proudly proclaim their desire to kill us while ignoring the atrocities those very same people do to the Muslim world. 

Quote:Bad deeds pile up.

Yup, that tends to be what happens to the Muslim world. You do a bunch of awful shit then blame us when we respond 

Quote:Proud to be a repulsive fella, if repulsive means saying the truth.

No

(October 21, 2023 at 7:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote: I'm repulsive

Yes, you are! You know why?

(October 21, 2023 at 7:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote: American bombs are causing children PTSDs and making the Gaza children soil their pants.

You know what also gives PTSD to children? Chopping their hands off. Please remind everybody on this forum: What is, in your opinion, the proper punishment for a child committing the crime of theft?

(October 21, 2023 at 7:17 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 6:46 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Another non-answer from you.  I am done with you other than admin duties.

I can't pretend that your beliefs and politics aren't repulsive.  Which means you are also repulsive to me.

I'm not the problem here.
The problem is the masses of piled up bodies in Gaza, Iraq, Afghanistan and more places because of direct or indirect western intervention.

I'm repulsive, sure, but the U.S army is terrifying. American bombs are causing children PTSDs and making the Gaza children soil their pants.

Humanity needs a brave generation that stands against this butchery, double standards and ethnic cleansing.

Bad deeds pile up.
Proud to be a repulsive fella, if repulsive means saying the truth.

Boru

(October 21, 2023 at 2:13 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Live by these rules, die by these bombs, or get the fuck out is a forced displacement, in fairness.  In that hypothetical it would definitely be great if they had somewhere to go, but I'm not really sure I'd personally advocate for palestinian refugees to end up in an islamist shithole.  The defensible solution to apartheid is never "they go somewhere else".

Israel wants to deal with hamas?  Good, and deal with them harshly.  That doesn't extend to the average palestinian, who is a child.

Technically, it’s only a piece of dust.
 

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I mean everyone will fight for their nation. Everyone will protect what they see as “theirs”. We did that in past as well. But with all secular government and resistance movement basically ineffective, I don’t know if Things like Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran or even neighboring Arab states can be solution to that.
 
So if they are willing to stay and resist, let them stay and resist. But I don’t agree with Jordan and Egypt simply closing their borders to anyone willing to flee the conflict. This means they are using that population as a weapon of war against Israel. That’s inacceptable. Why?
 
There is about 5 million Syrian + Afghan refugees in Turkey right now. Opposition parties want to send them back but the İslamist Party (working in concert with those Arab Nations) wants to keep them. The Average Turkish Woman has 1,9 children in her lifetime. The Average Arab woman is married at the age 15 and her average number of children is 6.
 
We have no ethnic ties with Arabs or Afghans. Our Cultural / Historical ties with them have mostly been severed about a century ago. But these people are being kept since 10 years or so because the Regime of Bashar Al Asad is butchering them (his own people).
 
So how serious is this? Israel which is a Western more than Middle Eastern power is killing people every day. Middle Eastern powers are not letting these people flee the Gaza Strip or or the West Bank.
 
- Yes there are culturally important places in the whole of that area etc. But my main point is this: The Hydra of Zionism is in fight with the Hydra of Political Islam. Slowly but surely it is also dragging my country into this endless battle:
 
 https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/10/20/erd...alization/
 
It dragged up Iran some 40 years ago into that conflict. You know, my country was absolutely neutral on this issue until the election of the Political İslamist party in 2003. The simple truth is: I don’t want to be a part of any of this. Let these two monsters fight one another as much as they want to. I do not see where this is implicating me in any way. This is our dominant feeling here. We already have colossal problems of our own.
 
Yet the İdeology of Political İslam is not allowing that. It wants to recruit this nation to its own cause and deplete all of its resources to their twisted ideological cause. Just like East-European countries that were liberated by the Red Army after WWII. There were fake elections. The communists won everywhere. And the whole of Eastern Europe was turned into satellite states around the Soviet Union for 4-5 decades.
 
This is not a good thing. As I said before, People in the Arabian Peninsula did not have anything before they started exporting Oil and Gas. The rest of us, we were rich, civilized, cultivated, Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Beirut even Algeria in the 1950’s these were beautiful place to be in. All except Morocco and Turkey were dragged into this conflict through authoritarian regimes or through twisted versions of Islam. And all of them became poverty stricken, authoritarian, corrupt regimes. There isn’t even a true central government in Lebanon right now.
 
I visited many of these places at earlier times so I know what I am talking about. From my perspective, that GD piece of land is already creating too many problems. What I wish is that all of it sinks like Atlantis so all of us can have our peace of mind.
 

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(October 21, 2023 at 3:15 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(October 21, 2023 at 8:14 am)LinuxGal Wrote: You called it a prison.  Now you're telling me that using an open door to a brother Arab country is "forced displacement" ?  Figure out what words mean and then we'll talk.

It's their land: Gaza is the land of the besieged.
Forcing them to move out is a crime against humanity.

Just some basic definitions:
 
Fascism = authoritarian rule based on a twisted perception of reality and the brainwashing of ordinary citizens with those lies. History sees that as one of the Greatest evil.
 
Nazi / Neo-Nazi ideology: Fascist ideology that emphasizes the superiority of one human race (!?) over another. In history: This venture has cost the lives of about 50 million people across the world. After that our main motto became: “Never Again”.
 
Theocracy / God state: (in the 20th / 21st century) A type of Fascism that is based on the misinterpretation of religious ideas. This type of government rejects social progress while allowing technical + military progress. Like Nazi and/or Communist regimes of the past, these governments believe in the superiority of their interpretation of reality. So military expansionism and the creation of a religious based Utopia is at the center of their way of thinking. You cannot negotiate with that kind of fanatics. In WWII the US’s progress from one pacific island to the other was extremely costly in human lives. So they chose two relatively small cities to bring the Japs back to their senses. Still our moto on that is: “Never Again”.
 
Genocide: Systematic elimination (killing) of a group of people because of their ethnic identity. The definition has evolved over the past decades.
 
Crime against Humanity: The only example of this is the Holocaust. That’s because the Nazis dedicated important resources (that could be used in their war effort for instance) to systematically eliminate the Jews. Our moto on that is “Never Again”.  
 
Ethnic cleansing: That’s Bosnia in the 90’s or the Bulgarian dictator Todor Jivkov in the 90’s. That’s when you aim at a group of people (Muslims and Turks in these examples) and try to remove them in order to create a more homogenous society. Frankly, I don’t know if that’s what’s happening in Israel. In fact I don’t know WTF is happening in that place. All I care about is staying out of it

@Leonardo17

Quote:Crime against Humanity: The only example of this is the Holocaust. 

This statement is not true.

Boru