(November 4, 2023 at 10:50 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(November 4, 2023 at 10:36 am)arewethereyet Wrote: That article appears to focus on the mentally ill causing violence toward others, not being victims of violence.

Try again.

OK, here is another one:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/ Wrote:A recent study of criminal victimization of persons with severe mental illness showed that 8.2% were criminally victimized over a four month period, much higher than the annual rate of violent victimization of 3.1 for the general population.

That study also states that 50% of Canadian psychiatrists report being violently assaulted by their patients. Mental patients. People with a diagnosed mental disorder. People YOU think should have guns.

You fucking idiot.

Boru

(November 4, 2023 at 11:22 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 4, 2023 at 10:50 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: OK, here is another one:

That study also states that 50% of Canadian psychiatrists report being violently assaulted by their patients. Mental patients. People with a diagnosed mental disorder. People YOU think should have guns.

You fucking idiot.

Boru

Of course, there are some studies that find a small correlation between mental illness and violent behaviour. Whether this relationship is causal is hard to determine. But, just like mentally healthy people, mentally ill people are way more likely to be victims of violence than to be violent themselves. And it hardly makes sense to disarm them. The link between mental illness and violence is without a doubt massively overblown in the minds of the public.

(November 5, 2023 at 4:56 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(November 4, 2023 at 11:22 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: That study also states that 50% of Canadian psychiatrists report being violently assaulted by their patients. Mental patients. People with a diagnosed mental disorder. People YOU think should have guns.

You fucking idiot.

Boru

Of course, there are some studies that find a small correlation between mental illness and violent behaviour. Whether this relationship is causal is hard to determine. But, just like mentally healthy people, mentally ill people are way more likely to be victims of violence than to be violent themselves. And it hardly makes sense to disarm them. The link between mental illness and violence is without a doubt massively overblown in the minds of the public.

Again with the idiocy. There are, in fact, some mental illnesses that make people more, not less, prone to violent behaviour - ASPD, PTSD, substance dependencies, etc. If a person has one of the psychoses which do have a valid link to violent actions, arming them is effectually turning an assault into a murder.

Are ALL people with mental or personality disorders likely to be violent? Of course not, and no one is claiming that. But you can't simply claim that people with mental illnesses need to be armed and expect to be taken seriously. Which mental illnesses?

Boru

(November 5, 2023 at 5:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 5, 2023 at 4:56 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: Of course, there are some studies that find a small correlation between mental illness and violent behaviour. Whether this relationship is causal is hard to determine. But, just like mentally healthy people, mentally ill people are way more likely to be victims of violence than to be violent themselves. And it hardly makes sense to disarm them. The link between mental illness and violence is without a doubt massively overblown in the minds of the public.

Again with the idiocy. There are, in fact, some mental illnesses that make people more, not less, prone to violent behaviour - ASPD, PTSD, substance dependencies, etc. If a person has one of the psychoses which do have a valid link to violent actions, arming them is effectually turning an assault into a murder.

Are ALL people with mental or personality disorders likely to be violent? Of course not, and no one is claiming that. But you can't simply claim that people with mental illnesses need to be armed and expect to be taken seriously. Which mental illnesses?

Boru

You want to disarm people with PTSD? You want to disarm the combatants that fought for Croatia that we have now?

(November 5, 2023 at 5:53 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(November 5, 2023 at 5:18 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Again with the idiocy. There are, in fact, some mental illnesses that make people more, not less, prone to violent behaviour - ASPD, PTSD, substance dependencies, etc. If a person has one of the psychoses which do have a valid link to violent actions, arming them is effectually turning an assault into a murder.

Are ALL people with mental or personality disorders likely to be violent? Of course not, and no one is claiming that. But you can't simply claim that people with mental illnesses need to be armed and expect to be taken seriously. Which mental illnesses?

Boru

You want to disarm people with PTSD? You want to disarm the combatants that fought for Croatia that we have now?

Yes and no. 'Yes' because the symptoms of PTSD include an increased fight or flight response and a MUCH greater risk of suicide. 'No' because not all combat veterans suffer from PTSD.

Boru

(November 5, 2023 at 6:01 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 5, 2023 at 5:53 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: You want to disarm people with PTSD? You want to disarm the combatants that fought for Croatia that we have now?

Yes and no. 'Yes' because the symptoms of PTSD include an increased fight or flight response and a MUCH greater risk of suicide. 'No' because not all combat veterans suffer from PTSD.

Boru

What makes you think taking guns away from people with PTSD will prevent suicides? Doing suicide without a gun is easy. Especially if you have PTSD: simply take the medication you usually take (including Alprazolam) and drink a few beers. Unless somebody puts you on a ventilator, you will suffocate. Countless people have killed themselves that way, many of them unintentionally.