(June 17, 2024 at 3:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(June 17, 2024 at 1:34 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Given my age and various minor infirmities, I’m a fairly active atheist.

Boru

So sm I.

Friday us going to be exhausting for me.  I'm going for my black belt.

The rest of the weekend  is going to be "taking it easy atheism".

Aren’t you worried it’ll clash with your teal hat and scarf?

Boru

(June 17, 2024 at 4:45 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(June 17, 2024 at 3:38 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: So sm I.

Friday us going to be exhausting for me.  I'm going for my black belt.

The rest of the weekend  is going to be "taking it easy atheism".

Aren’t you worried it’ll clash with your teal hat and scarf?

Boru

But it'll match my boots...

Boots…

Boru

(June 17, 2024 at 6:42 pm)Foxaèr Wrote:

And I thought we were getting on so well.

Boru

(June 17, 2024 at 10:09 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote:

(June 16, 2024 at 10:44 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Well, "primitive" is kind of a tricky word.

It is just like the words long, short, heavy, light, ugly, rough, viscous, hot, hard, sharp.
These words mean whatever you want them to mean. They are relative words. They are subjective.

So, eventually, I gave a definition to make my earlier posts more clear.


It doesn’t matter if Paul, Jesus and the other primitive people didn’t have a printed copy of the tanakh. There were no high speed industrial printing machines then. All the members of the jewish faith were told the stories from a young age by their parents and their priests. All humans are going to be asking the Big questions. Like I said, some of those questions will be or are addressed by science.
Example: Why do we exist gets converted to how do we exist in Evolution theory (how does nature work, what happened in the past)

All religions try to answer how did it happen, what are the steps the gods took, what was the recipe, at what point did they felt was the best moment to create a human.

Like I said, even if Paul, St Augustine and a few of the guys were were non-literalist, this doesn’t mean that they accepted the Big Bang theory and Evolution theory. It would have been reasonable to them that the jewish god created everything from day 1, in 0 nanoseconds, in 1 nanosecond or whatever. In the end, they are YEC.

They were not aware of cavemen. They were not aware of humans being covered by thick body hair. They were not aware that all humans had dark skin and are from Africa. In their mind, humans are intelligent beings from the moment god creates them. They have a language. They know how to take care of animals and make tools and have a language from day 1. In their mind, humans have a memory from day 1.

In terms of science, humans have no memory for the entire block of 6 million to about 5000 BCE. All that time period has been forgotten.

See also BrianSoddingBoru4 comment.

It's true that they were unaware of our current scientific theories.

(June 17, 2024 at 6:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Boots…

Boru

(June 17, 2024 at 11:01 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The cain and abel thing is fun.  That's about the pastoralist source telling us that god likes his way of life better than the other guys.  Literally translated it's the story of Farmer and Herdsmen and according to magic book - there was a city on earth at the time.  

Robert L. O'Connell in The Soul of the Sword (a history of human weaponry, writ short) suggests that the divide between farmers and herdsmen may be one source of organized warfare, in that the two groups were fighting over land, one to use that land for crops, the other for pasturage. It's only supposition, which he makes clear in the book, but I think it's an interesting thought.

When we frame the fable of Cain and Abel in that light, it sure looks allegorical ... but again, that's supposition, on my part this time.

(June 17, 2024 at 9:45 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(June 17, 2024 at 6:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Boots…

Boru

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Fierce.

By God, that looks like the wicked witch!