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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 16, 2024 at 10:00 pm
I'd like to know what the hell "lazy atheism" is. I don't believe in a god or gods. I was raised in the church and even as a little kid, I just didn't buy into it. No matter what I was presented in my 67 years, I am still not convinced that there is reason to believe. Maybe it's the believers who are the lazy ones. Show me some proof of what it is you preach.
And...supposedly holy books written by men aren't proof. They are stories.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 16, 2024 at 10:22 pm
(July 16, 2024 at 9:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: (July 16, 2024 at 3:36 pm)Modern Atheism Wrote: The fact that we have multiple viable religions in the first place. Wouldn't a deity want to reveal the truth to all of humanity? Not just to a small group. This is known as the argument from relgious confusion.
Maybe it doesn't want to. Maybe it hates our guts. Maybe it can't do a damned thing about human beings cooking up religions. Maybe it hasn't even noticed.
Maybe it doesn't even exist.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 16, 2024 at 10:23 pm
(July 16, 2024 at 10:00 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: I'd like to know what the hell "lazy atheism" is. I don't believe in a god or gods. I was raised in the church and even as a little kid, I just didn't buy into it. No matter what I was presented in my 67 years, I am still not convinced that there is reason to believe. Maybe it's the believers who are the lazy ones. Show me some proof of what it is you preach.
And...supposedly holy books written by men aren't proof. They are stories.
It's a bullshit term made up by god-botherers to denigrate non-believers.
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 16, 2024 at 10:54 pm
(July 16, 2024 at 9:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Maybe it doesn't want to. Maybe it hates our guts. Maybe it can't do a damned thing about human beings cooking up religions. Maybe it hasn't even noticed.
An omniscient entity hasn't noticed... Now there's a mind bender.
OTOH if it were omniscient would it be stark raving insane? Just the content of the internet would likely inflict that.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 17, 2024 at 12:17 am
I think lazy atheism doesn't need to worry about what hypothetical attributes hypothetical gods have. If we notice that there's no unity of theistic faith - then we can simply say that gods.....if they exist...for whatever reason or no reason at all, can't or won't effect it.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 17, 2024 at 12:42 am
I know folks who are very lazy about leprechauns, too. Should they be working harder to justify their aleprechaunism? I think so. I'm still waiting for the next David Hume to lay out the case why faeries not only don't wear boots, but don't exist at all.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 17, 2024 at 7:46 am
(July 16, 2024 at 7:42 pm)Belacqua Wrote: You may be right, and you may have discerned exactly what that deity would do if it existed. On the other hand, none of us is omniscient, so it may not be reasonable to assume that a deity's goals and methods would be the ones we prefer.
Is not as much about being omniscient, but about being fundamentally fair. If a deity which is fair and benevolent wants to reveal a religion to humans, it seems fundamentally fair that it would reveal a religion to all humans, not just a portion of it
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 17, 2024 at 8:03 am
(July 17, 2024 at 7:46 am)Modern Atheism Wrote: (July 16, 2024 at 7:42 pm)Belacqua Wrote: You may be right, and you may have discerned exactly what that deity would do if it existed. On the other hand, none of us is omniscient, so it may not be reasonable to assume that a deity's goals and methods would be the ones we prefer.
Is not as much about being omniscient, but about being fundamentally fair. If a deity which is fair and benevolent wants to reveal a religion to humans, it seems fundamentally fair that it would reveal a religion to all humans, not just a portion of it
It's really common for people to assume that an omniscient deity would have the same opinions they do.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 17, 2024 at 1:24 pm
(July 17, 2024 at 8:03 am)Belacqua Wrote: It's really common for people to assume that an omniscient deity would have the same opinions they do.
Which is fine if those opinions seem reasonable. You don't need all the knowledge in the unviverse to have an opinion on something. You just need all the relevant knowledge.
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RE: Lazy Atheism?
July 17, 2024 at 1:30 pm
Is pointing out the lack of evidence an example of so-called "lazy atheism"?
Schopenhauer Wrote:The intellect has become free, and in this state it does not even know or understand any other interest than that of truth.
Epicurus Wrote:The greatest reward of righteousness is peace of mind.
Epicurus Wrote:Don't fear god,
Don't worry about death;
What is good is easy to get,
What is terrible is easy to endure
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