Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 24, 2024, 6:03 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Veganism
#81
RE: Veganism
This is a trick question, right?
[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]
Reply
#82
RE: Veganism
No need. You believe, like our ethical vegan friends, that eating animals is a bad thing however you define it.

You also have beliefs about gods giving us permission to do bad things, as well as, apparently, the ability to do those things...but other than implicating your own god as morally complicit and morally responsible for those bad things as you see them, that doesn't seem to change the moral calculus.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
#83
RE: Veganism
@h311inac311

Quote:Do we deserve to live in a perfect world? 

Yes.

Quote:Do we deserve to live in a world where we can defy our parents, 

Yes.

Quote:the religious authorities appointed over us, 

Yes.

Quote: our government 

Yes.

Quote:as well as anyone else who gives us an opinion on morality that we don't agree with 

Emphatically yes.

Quote:and then claim that we deserve to live in a world free from consequences?

Of course not. Don't be stupid.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Reply
#84
RE: Veganism
God must be an idiot, he punished Eve for eating the apple from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, so that means she didn't know it was wrong but still gets punished?
This god thing is not worthy of my attention
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.

Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups

Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!

Reply
#85
RE: Veganism
That would be one defense of gods seemingly immoral actions. We tend to hold incompetents to a lesser standard, or, if they're utterly incompetent - like say a bear or a lion, no standard at all. It's also one way to contextualize our own consumption of livestock (continuing along with the premise that it is A Bad Thing). That we are specifically incompetent when our moral duties and our existential necessities are in conflict.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
#86
RE: Veganism
(August 28, 2024 at 10:06 am)h311inac311 Wrote: To answer the Nudge, In Genesis God creates man in his own image, to have dominion over the wildlife. We are expressly granted permission to eat animals after death is introduced through Adam and Eve both choosing to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
But they still couldn’t eat bacon, right?
Why?

Reply
#87
RE: Veganism
(August 28, 2024 at 11:10 am)h311inac311 Wrote:
(August 28, 2024 at 11:08 am)Angrboda Wrote: Which means what exactly?  Does God have toenails?  Zits?  Sex organs right next to where it defecates?

As it is written,

"He had no beauty that we would desire him."

Chapter and verse please

Reply
#88
RE: Veganism
(August 28, 2024 at 11:38 am)h311inac311 Wrote: Do you believe that you deserve to live in the garden of Eden?

Do you believe Adam and Eve had any free choice to be forced into life only to encounter the serpent to fuck them up?

Did the serpent have the knowledge of good and evil @h311inac311?

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made.”

Reply
#89
RE: Veganism
(August 29, 2024 at 11:44 am)h4ym4n Wrote:
(August 28, 2024 at 10:06 am)h311inac311 Wrote: To answer the Nudge, In Genesis God creates man in his own image, to have dominion over the wildlife. We are expressly granted permission to eat animals after death is introduced through Adam and Eve both choosing to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
But they still couldn’t eat bacon, right?
Why?

For the same reason that god preferred the shepherds tribute to the farmers, in the establishment hypothesis.  



Bringing this all together, and together with respect to contemporary disputes over the ethical ramifications of our dietary choices and production strategies...and what the hell, looping in loopy beliefs about great fairies and grand nudgers....we can safely say that people have had concerns about their food for all of recorded history, since before recorded history, and that the level of concern has been great enough for all of that time to profoundly shape world religions.  Some of them...credible and persistent.  Some, not so much.  I think food safety and hygiene concerns are and have always been valid.  Should we be "nicer" to the animals, though?  Well...even if you wanted to run a battery farm and a near or actual human rights abuse level slaughterhouse - you'd be advised to treat the animals better than your worst.  Not only will inhumane treatment lead to unsafe products, it will lead to lower yields of lesser products.  We should obviously avoid these methods and practices and products insomuch as we can...without any moral or divine context to the normative term.  What if we see something "more" though...well, I think that the body of lit in question gets it completely right, eventually, in the postnotes, as I briefly alluded to above.  If you think that doing something is wrong, don't. The particular reason, if there even is one or ever were...may be immaterial.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply
#90
RE: Veganism
(August 28, 2024 at 10:06 am)h311inac311 Wrote: To answer the Nudge, In Genesis God creates man in his own image, to have dominion over the wildlife. We are expressly granted permission to eat animals after death is introduced through Adam and Eve both choosing to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Sheldon, was I arguing in favor of eating meat or against it?

To explain my argument a little further we ask the vegan if it is okay for a Lion to hunt a Gazelle, if this is true then why can't humans do the same?

To further the argument we could ask if it is okay for a Grizzly bear to hunt as well. Seeing as how they can live their whole lives eating nothing but vegetables but prefer to hunt and eat meat because it is both a fun and tasty thing to do.

Will they morally condemn the behavior of the Grizzly? Or give humans a separate responsibility?

(Bold mine)

Where is this permission ‘expressly’ granted? Chapter and verse, please.

Boru
‘I can’t be having with this.’ - Esmeralda Weatherwax
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Veganism? Pel 254 93688 February 22, 2012 at 9:24 am
Last Post: reverendjeremiah



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)