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John 6IX Breezy · (This post was last modified: February 7, 2025 at 1:49 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)

The abiogenesis argument alone seems to settle the debate. You cannot hold the position that life was able to emerge from a non-living environment, but reject that life is able to re-emerge in a structure with all the components of life present. You also can't hold the position that in the first case life emerged through an unguided process, but that it would not be able to emerge through a guided process.

Holding the first position seems to commit everyone to the second. Pessimism over how hard it is to do with today's technology seems beside the point.

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · (This post was last modified: February 7, 2025 at 1:49 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)

(February 7, 2025 at 1:31 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The abiogenesis argument alone seems to settle the debate. You cannot hold the position that life was able to emerge from a non-living environment, but reject that life is able to re-emerge in structure where all the components of life are present. You also can't hold the position that in the first case life emerged through an unguided process, but that it would not be able to emerge through a guided process.

Holding the first position seems to commit everyone to the second. Pessimism over how hard it is to do with today's technology seems beside the point.

But the re-emergence of life is hardly the same thing as resurrection. Re-animating a corpse is one thing. Re-animating a corpse with its psyche (memories, emotions, likes/dislike, etc) intact is quite another.

Boru

John 6IX Breezy · February 7, 2025 at 2:08 pm

(February 7, 2025 at 1:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Re-animating a corpse is one thing. Re-animating a corpse with its psyche (memories, emotions, likes/dislike, etc) intact is quite another.

Boru

Maybe, but it reduces the problem substantially. For starters, almost all the things that matter to you can be reduced to a memory problem, from your identity, to your knowledge, to your likes and dislikes, and so forth.

The dead are not the only ones that lose their memories, so plenty of work is already happening to aid with amnesia, from prevention to restoration.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: February 7, 2025 at 2:13 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

(February 7, 2025 at 1:31 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: Pessimism over how hard it is to do with today's technology seems beside the point.

I think plenty of things we can't do are technologically possible. Doesn't say anything about their theological possibility..but I'm not going to stand between a christian and edging towards an alien god with superior biotech.

To be frank, ghost stories don't strike me as an example of that...and I wouldn't do what the aliens said just because they possessed it. As before, there are people and organizations in reality with access to superior biotech than I have access to. I don't have to argue them into existence..and neither you nor I are doing what they say because they have the pill.

Deesse23 · (This post was last modified: February 7, 2025 at 2:17 pm by Deesse23.)

(February 7, 2025 at 1:31 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: You cannot hold the position that life was able to emerge from a non-living environment, but reject that life is able to re-emerge in a structure with all the components of life present.

You can
Because resurrection is in no way, shape or form comparable to abiogenesis. Abiogenesis started with probably a single living cell evolving over time. Resurrection is the re-animation of billions of cells decayed Consoling

I cant believe i have to explain this shit to a non-3-years old....and i am not even talking about the brain function that has evaporated with death, probably irreversibly so.

Paleophyte · February 7, 2025 at 2:27 pm

(February 7, 2025 at 1:31 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: The abiogenesis argument alone seems to settle the debate.

Only for those of you who can't distinguish between a prebiotic molecule and the Messiah.

But what's this "debate"? I thought that this was a question that you had. One to which you hadn't clearly reached a conclusion in advance. One that was unrelated to your Lord and Savior. Woe is me! Misled by yet another cunning Christian who can't seem to remember their own Commandments. How will I ever cope?

Angrboda · February 7, 2025 at 2:29 pm

(February 7, 2025 at 2:08 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(February 7, 2025 at 1:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Re-animating a corpse is one thing. Re-animating a corpse with its psyche (memories, emotions, likes/dislike, etc) intact is quite another.

Boru

Maybe, but it reduces the problem substantially. For starters, almost all the things that matter to you can be reduced to a memory problem, from your identity, to your knowledge, to your likes and dislikes, and so forth.

This is speculation. Please do not assert speculation as fact.

John 6IX Breezy · February 7, 2025 at 2:38 pm

(February 7, 2025 at 2:29 pm)Angrboda Wrote: This is speculation. Please do not assert speculation as fact.

It wasn't presented to me as speculation in all my cognitive science courses. This is research that has been done and observations that have been made.

So what do you mean speculation?

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · (This post was last modified: February 7, 2025 at 2:57 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)

(February 7, 2025 at 2:08 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(February 7, 2025 at 1:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Re-animating a corpse is one thing. Re-animating a corpse with its psyche (memories, emotions, likes/dislike, etc) intact is quite another.

Boru

Maybe, but it reduces the problem substantially. For starters, almost all the things that matter to you can be reduced to a memory problem, from your identity, to your knowledge, to your likes and dislikes, and so forth.

The dead are not the only ones that lose their memories, so plenty of work is already happening to aid with amnesia, from prevention to restoration.

But a revenant would not be the same individual post-reanimation as s/he was before - there would BE no memories to recover.

I get that you’ve said repeatedly that your questions about resurrection don’t necessarily refer to the Biblical account, but you seem sort of desperate to do exactly that. All of this bringing up abiogenesis, amnesia therapy, and so on comes of as trying to show that Jesus’ resurrection was as least possible, or even plausible.

Boru

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: February 7, 2025 at 3:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

(February 7, 2025 at 2:38 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(February 7, 2025 at 2:29 pm)Angrboda Wrote: This is speculation. Please do not assert speculation as fact.

It wasn't presented to me as speculation in all my cognitive science courses. This is research that has been done and observations that have been made.

So what do you mean speculation?

No one presented christs resurrection to you as a cognitive science or research that has been done or observations that have been made unless you were palling around with a bunch of IDiots. In which case, you got conned.

Deeper down, though, that you as a christian are considering this as-such is a demonstration of christian theological decline. The incredible shrinking god is a biologist, or maybe a mechanic. Gone is the almighty spirit responsible for the entire universe ex-nihilo. Gone is the supernatural agent with powers not only beyond our understanding but beyond our plane of existence. Gone, is christ...replaced by jesus. No miracles, no mysteries, no gods..just a better understanding of a mechanical world.

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