(March 25, 2025 at 11:31 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(March 25, 2025 at 5:30 pm)Hippea Fly Guy Wrote: we pop in from time to time to; and pay our taxes, purchase our permits/licenses, file required forms and such, mostly catch up on that bullshit you civilized society folks force us at gunpoint to do, that is unquestionably a dystopian hellhole from sea to shining sea. When I’m here I lock the doors at night. I’m not afraid of much but my mother raised ugly kids, not stupid ones.

So what you are saying is that morality is based on Christianity, but that it's terrible and you can't get out of your house because you are fearing for your life and people are even trying to come into your house and kill you?

Morality is based on religion, the present repository is Christianity\Western Society. Everything considered moral in modern society comes with the tacit approval if not blessing of Christendom and it's inbred cousin Humanism. 

First principles are important. Why is human life inherently more valuable, regardless it's quality than that of the steer in your hamburger. I assure your more care and empathy is taken to reduce the suffering of a handful of murderers at execution than the trillion or so animals enslaved from birth every year in metal cages and standing knee deep in shit at the stockyard for weeks awaiting the knackers hammer. People got a right to eat though! Yes? Where does that kind of hubris come from? The sense of entitlement to anything and everything on the planet that makes your life easier at the expense of every other sentient being on the planet. Perhaps the belief you were created in God's image, or with the ability to reason, or make agreements and cooperate. It's all the same. Decidedly not natural.

If we were capable to make those agreements and cooperating we wouldn't need giant granite buildings filled with hundreds of thousands of tomes containing rules, regulations, proscriptions, interpretations etc., wouldn't you just sort of know right from wrong naturally? Why would you need; judges, lawyers, police, prisons, correction officers, mental health facilities, armies, treaties.....Something granted you dominion over the planet and everything in it. What do you reckon that is? Nature, hubris or God.

You can draw a perfectly straight unbroken line from the present US Capital, thru Western Europe Empires, the Holy Roman Empire, Rome, Greece, Persia, Babylon and the Code of Hammurabi all the way back to the grain states of Mesopotamia when men discovered that 'chicks dig farmers' and every one has the same first principle. Human dominion. It's the basis for Judaism, Christianity, Islam etc., etc., etc., even that "bald fat guy seated on his ass".

Which brings us full circle to my original statement. Expecting a government to solve the problems it creates by it's very existence is a fools errand.

The last part is perplexing. What are you about mate? Trying to analyze me of something?

Best Regards,

Hippea, 

Spring is here,  wild onions, garlic, cucumbers and squash. Life is good!

(March 26, 2025 at 8:30 am)Hippea Fly Guy Wrote: The last part is perplexing. What are you about mate? Trying to analyze me of something?

You just wrote a post that goes through the whole history of human race, but my posts are perplexing.

All I'm trying to do is to figure out what you talking about, to make sense out of the series of posts that you made about morality.

Like how do we know not to treat animals as equals and why we eat them. Maybe because humans and animals have always been hunting each other.

Morality of the modern society works in a way that centers people's feelings and desires. Like when people go voting, they are asked who do they feel would be the best leader.

Now, it hasn't been always like that. During religious theocracies, clergy and aristocrats decided for the rest of the people.

The change only came a few centuries ago under the name of humanism. It's main principle is that people should do whatever makes them happy unless it hurts other people.

Take current debates on homosexuality. If two adult men enjoy having sex with one another, and they don’t harm anyone while doing so, why should it be wrong, and why should we outlaw it? It is a private matter between these two men, and they are free to decide about it according to their inner feelings. In the Middle Ages, if two men confessed to a priest that they were in love with one another, and that they never felt so happy, their good feelings would not have changed the priest’s damning judgement.

In our society, there is no higher authority than human feelings. Even in the economy where it is said "the customer is always right." It doesn't say that the bishop is right or that someone else should govern the market, but what people want to buy is being produced and sold.

Now, not all problems are solved. There are some other more complicated problems like what about animals and the environment.

These and similar problems are being debated to be solved, but no one is looking in the Bible for a solution.

You were answered in the first ten words. Which leads me to believe you didn't read it or that wasn't the real question. The rest was me being, well me! Killing time trying to be interesting until I can level up at 30 posts and get busy. We're only back here (civilization) for about three weeks Surely you can find some morsel in there to take to task. How about that gratuitous sharp elbow to Humanism? Don't you want to tell me I'm full of shit, I promise you won't hurt my feelings?

Cheers,

Hippea

Around the World, Many People Are Leaving Their Childhood Religions

In many countries around the world, a fifth or more of all adults have left the religious group in which they were raised. Christianity and Buddhism have experienced especially large losses from this “religious switching,” while rising numbers of adults have no religious affiliation, according to Pew Research Center surveys of nearly 80,000 people in 36 countries.

In some countries, changing religions is very rare. In India, Israel, Nigeria and Thailand, 95% or more of adults say they still belong to the religious group in which they were raised.

But across East Asia, Western Europe, North America and South America, switching is fairly common. For example, 50% of adults in South Korea, 36% in the Netherlands, 28% in the United States and 21% in Brazil no longer identify with their childhood religion.

Most of the movement has been into the category we call religiously unaffiliated, which consists of people who answer a question about their religion by saying they are atheists, agnostics or “nothing in particular.”

In other words, most of the switching is disaffiliation – people leaving the religion of their childhood and no longer identifying with any religion.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/202...religions/

(March 26, 2025 at 8:30 am)Hippea Fly Guy Wrote: Morality is based on religion, the present repository is Christianity\Western Society. Everything considered moral in modern society comes with the tacit approval if not blessing of Christendom and it's inbred cousin Humanism. 

And humans created god(s) and then religions. Chicken/egg. Christianity's relevance is slipping away, same as romans, greeks, egyptians, pagans, norse, ...................

Yet humans, for the most part, retain the morality.

I'm a moral objectivist, so moral subjectivism is a non starter for me before we add that it's a supernatural subjectivism laid down by a god signing land use and livestock contracts.  

I've been a few places where livestock were worth more than people.  They believed in gods there too.

C'est la vie - it's taken 400 years of internal erosion and roughly 180 years of enforced anti-theism in Europe to cause this downfall; a making entirely of their own.

While America suffers from the 400-year schismatic issue we've only delt with 70 years of post-modern gobbledygook taught as truth in universities and 70 years of kommunisty i internet-genii hocking their wares to soften targets - likely why we've been a bit slow to the atheist party as a nation, despite the best efforts of both Yanks and drugged out hippies.

Encouragingly it does seem like there is a bit of resurgence amongst the youth in Orthodox sects (including Catholics) of Christians who are more militant in their faith and better armed to defend it.

Double post.

So a White gives a the twilight zone view of history

(March 27, 2025 at 12:41 am)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: So a White gives a the twilight zone view of history

Ah yeah?

Which part?