(April 15, 2025 at 12:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: To paraphrase a former user here, I broke my math bone when I was a kid and it never healed properly. Therefore, I tend to trust experts in mathematics (or any other field in which I’m not competent).

Boru

Too many theists believe they have the inside track to inspired knowledge of the world (through their scriptures or the holy ghost or whatever). Too many of them don't trust the experts anymore, since the experts tell them that counter-intuitive ideas are in fact correct.

Sometimes I think we are progressing too fast for our little ape-brains to keep up. Other times I simply blame certain people for not doing their homework.

^Yeah, imma go with the ‘other times’ option. The facts are there for the taking, quite literally at people’s fingertips.

Boru

(April 5, 2025 at 9:26 am)Order Wrote: Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God.

Then show me the actual fucking god, O mortal.

No scriptures.

No personal testimonies.

No second- and third-hand "miracle stories."

No "But look at the stars! And the sunsets! And the cute little pussycats!" nonsense.

And absolutely no, I repeat, no philosophical masturbation.  You cannot logic, philosophize or otherwise wish a nonexistent being into existence.

One (1) empirically testable god-like being, here in the physical world, or STFU and GTFO.

I think Order and Drew have done a runner.

Boru

(April 16, 2025 at 4:49 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think Order and Drew have done a runner.

Boru

I think you're right, who could have seen that coming. 


I bet they're bragging about how they debunked atheism right now, on some religious forum?

(April 16, 2025 at 6:31 am)Sheldon Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 4:49 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think Order and Drew have done a runner.

Boru

I think you're right, who could have seen that coming. 


I bet they're bragging about how they debunked atheism right now, on some religious forum?

I tried to reset the debate from a different angle with a new post and though it grew to three pages fast, it was shut down as spam. Religious folk don't want me on their boards anymore than this group does. 

There is no need to debunk a belief that only manages to convince 5% of the population. I should spend time debunking Big Foot and UFO's.

(April 15, 2025 at 5:37 pm)Astreja Wrote:

(April 5, 2025 at 9:26 am)Order Wrote: Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God.

Then show me the actual fucking god, O mortal.

No scriptures.

No personal testimonies.

No second- and third-hand "miracle stories."

No "But look at the stars! And the sunsets! And the cute little pussycats!" nonsense.

And absolutely no, I repeat, no philosophical masturbation.  You cannot logic, philosophize or otherwise wish a nonexistent being into existence.

One (1) empirically testable god-like being, here in the physical world, or STFU and GTFO.

No philosophical masturbation like the water in the puddle story? It takes a lot of whacking to convince oneself that has anything to do with the fine-tuning of the universe.

(April 15, 2025 at 2:40 pm)Alan V Wrote:

(April 15, 2025 at 12:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: To paraphrase a former user here, I broke my math bone when I was a kid and it never healed properly. Therefore, I tend to trust experts in mathematics (or any other field in which I’m not competent).

Boru

Too many theists believe they have the inside track to inspired knowledge of the world (through their scriptures or the holy ghost or whatever).  Too many of them don't trust the experts anymore, since the experts tell them that counter-intuitive ideas are in fact correct.

Sometimes I think we are progressing too fast for our little ape-brains to keep up.  Other times I simply blame certain people for not doing their homework.

I've relied on what scientists have established and are reporting. I've quoted scientists and cut and pasted their findings. Not one quote from scripture from me.

(April 15, 2025 at 6:16 am)Sheldon Wrote:

(April 14, 2025 at 6:43 pm)The Architect Of Fate Wrote: Careful big numbers fry his brain and causes it to spew incredulity

It's time Drew understood that probability is a scientific theory, not a subjective opinion, and the "this seems to involve long odds, that I have subjectively decided aren't possible, so I am going to insert an unevidenced deity, using inexplicable magic, from an archaic superstition", argument, is never going to pass muster with the scientific world, or anyone citing rational objections.

I certainly wouldn't understand anything from you Sheldon. You assert the universe and life is the result of mindless, lifeless natural forces that just had nothing better to do than to cause a universe with all the conditions for life to occur. Your only measure for rational objections is that you agree with them.

(April 16, 2025 at 9:17 am)Drew_2013 Wrote:

(April 16, 2025 at 6:31 am)Sheldon Wrote: I think you're right, who could have seen that coming. 


I bet they're bragging about how they debunked atheism right now, on some religious forum?

I tried to reset the debate from a different angle with a new post and though it grew to three pages fast, it was shut down as spam. Religious folk don't want me on their boards anymore than this group does. 

There is no need to debunk a belief that only manages to convince 5% of the population. I should spend time debunking Big Foot and UFO's.

You posted your list of things that are evidence for God in that thread, which duplicated what you've written here. I suspect that is why your thread got shut down. If you started a thread that wasn't a repeat of prior material, I don't think you would meet a similar objection. By my light, you've been pushing Rees' book and fine-tuning on this forum for at least 10 years. Maybe it's time that you got some new material.