(January 23, 2012 at 7:58 pm)Godschild Wrote: Your right the explanation you gave is totally as you described. I did not come close to saying anything like that. I stated that God still works miraculous healing for those He chooses, because doctors are involved people no longer believe that a miracle has occurred, even though the doctors can not explain how the healing happened.

genkaus Wrote:This is almost a perfect example of god-of-the-gaps. Doctors cannot explain how it happened, therefore goddidit. It would be more convincing if the miracles happened only to devout Christians rather that arbitrarily.

Those who do benefit from God's love and believe in Him are grateful, those who do benefit and do not believe should be grateful that His love is not arbitrary.

(January 24, 2012 at 6:07 am)Godschild Wrote: Those who do benefit from God's love and believe in Him are grateful, those who do benefit and do not believe should be grateful that His love is not arbitrary.

Seriously????

You really think that?????

Well fuck me with a dead ferret.....

A deity that says "love and worship me or burn for eternity"

And you think that's not arbitrary....

(January 24, 2012 at 6:07 am)Godschild Wrote: Those who do benefit from God's love and believe in Him are grateful, those who do benefit and do not believe should be grateful that His love is not arbitrary.

It never ceases to amaze me how you come up with such contradictory things?

How would those who do not believe in him ever benefit?
And how would it be even possible from them to be grateful when they do not believe?
And what of those who do believe but don't benefit? You Christians always seem to ignore those.

Quote:It never ceases to amaze me how you come up with such contradictory things?

You just haven't been paying attention. G-C always comes up with stupid shit like that.

So "Goddidit" theory again applies to all the miracles in the Books of Acts? Well, I didn't get the part where you actually proved that god exists before attributing any such "miracles" to a character who til now only exists in a book written thousands of years ago and the origin of which is seriously questionable.

And then we have those "ever-green" omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient arguments which make no sense whatsoever.

(January 24, 2012 at 4:30 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(January 24, 2012 at 6:07 am)Godschild Wrote: Those who do benefit from God's love and believe in Him are grateful, those who do benefit and do not believe should be grateful that His love is not arbitrary.

It never ceases to amaze me how you come up with such contradictory things?

How would those who do not believe in him ever benefit?
And how would it be even possible from them to be grateful when they do not believe?
And what of those who do believe but don't benefit? You Christians always seem to ignore those.

You mean to tell me if a nonbeliever is healed by God there's no benefit for them, surely you can see that what you have said makes no sense.

I said should be grateful, of coarse they wouldn't when they do not know.

We understand that God's will in our lives may not be a miracle healing.

(January 26, 2012 at 3:07 am)Godschild Wrote: You mean to tell me if a nonbeliever is healed by God there's no benefit for them, surely you can see that what you have said makes no sense.

I said should be grateful, of coarse they wouldn't when they do not know.

We understand that God's will in our lives may not be a miracle healing.

God does not heal idiot, medicines do.
Why can't god heal aids; out of all suffers, at least one should be a theist.
When was the last time your imaginary god healed anyone? Do not quote shit from the bible, please.

(January 26, 2012 at 3:07 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 24, 2012 at 4:30 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(January 24, 2012 at 6:07 am)Godschild Wrote: Those who do benefit from God's love and believe in Him are grateful, those who do benefit and do not believe should be grateful that His love is not arbitrary.

It never ceases to amaze me how you come up with such contradictory things?

How would those who do not believe in him ever benefit?
And how would it be even possible from them to be grateful when they do not believe?
And what of those who do believe but don't benefit? You Christians always seem to ignore those.

You mean to tell me if a nonbeliever is healed by God there's no benefit for them, surely you can see that what you have said makes no sense.

I said should be grateful, of coarse they wouldn't when they do not know.

We understand that God's will in our lives may not be a miracle healing.

So, your god would choose to heal an unbeliever instead of the millions of believers? That sounds arbitrary to me.

As for gratitude - no. God does not deserve any gratitude because he caused the sickness in the first place. If you hold me at gunpoint and choose not to shoot, you expect me to be grateful to you? Removal of a threat is not a cause for gratitude when the threat was presented by the one who removed it.

(January 26, 2012 at 5:01 am)Forsaken Wrote: God does not heal idiot, medicines do.
Why can't god heal aids; out of all suffers, at least one should be a theist.
When was the last time your imaginary god healed anyone? Do not quote shit from the bible, please.

A little harsh and poorly reasoned. He can't be an idiot for not conceding that God doesn't heal if that is what is at issue. If his god ever did heal anyone, there would be no way to know that. For all we know it could have been the medicine.

For the record, I don't think God heals anyone either. I just don't know that for a fact.

(January 26, 2012 at 7:37 am)genkaus Wrote:

(January 26, 2012 at 3:07 am)Godschild Wrote:

(January 24, 2012 at 4:30 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(January 24, 2012 at 6:07 am)Godschild Wrote: Those who do benefit from God's love and believe in Him are grateful, those who do benefit and do not believe should be grateful that His love is not arbitrary.

It never ceases to amaze me how you come up with such contradictory things?

How would those who do not believe in him ever benefit?
And how would it be even possible from them to be grateful when they do not believe?
And what of those who do believe but don't benefit? You Christians always seem to ignore those.

You mean to tell me if a nonbeliever is healed by God there's no benefit for them, surely you can see that what you have said makes no sense.

I said should be grateful, of coarse they wouldn't when they do not know.

We understand that God's will in our lives may not be a miracle healing.

So, your god would choose to heal an unbeliever instead of the millions of believers? That sounds arbitrary to me.

As for gratitude - no. God does not deserve any gratitude because he caused the sickness in the first place. If you hold me at gunpoint and choose not to shoot, you expect me to be grateful to you? Removal of a threat is not a cause for gratitude when the threat was presented by the one who removed it.

God does not make people sick necessarily, what actually makes you believe that God makes everyone sick. If you were to contract AIDS does that mean God forced you to have sex with an infected person. How do you know that God has not healed someone of AIDS?