Bart Ehrman Has A New Book Coming Out

[Minimalist]

It will piss off the fundie shitwits for sure.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/why-the-...-not-true/

For over a century biblical scholars have been obsessed with this question. Widely challenged today is the age-old view that the Gospels are accurate reports written by disciples of Jesus (Matthew and John) or companions of the apostles (Mark, the secretary for Peter; Luke, the traveling companion of Paul). For one thing: whatever else one might say about the Gospels, they were written by unusually well-educated authors from outside of Palestine who composed their works in relatively high-level Greek. Jesus’ own followers were illiterate Aramaic-speaking peasants from rural Galilee.

[abaris]

Ehrman pretty much lost me when he claimed that history had the same connotation back then as it has now. Nothing could be further removed from the truth. History wasn't any kind of science in these times. It was all about presenting an ideal or to warn people against certain actions.

[Angrboda]

Many believe that the Gospel stories of Jesus are based on eyewitness testimony and are therefore historically reliable. Now, for the first time, a scholar of the New Testament, New York Times bestselling author Bart D. Ehrman (Misquoting Jesus; and Jesus, Interrupted), surveys research from the fields of psychology, anthropology, and sociology to explore how oral traditions and group memories really work and questions how reliable the Gospels can be.

http://www.bartdehrman.com/jesus-before-the-gospels/

Meh. It's nice to have it all in one place, but .... meh.

[Minimalist]

It's Ehrman's vision of having it all in one place.  Recall that in order to do that he had to invent lots of non-existent sources because the alternative is that this jesus shit was all made up later on.

I think he would rather cut off his own balls than face that possibility.

[SteelCurtain]

Didn't he already write this book?

Meh.

[Minimalist]

I don't know about Ehrman.  Philip R. Davies wrote Memories of Ancient Israel: An Introduction to Biblical History which deals with how cultural memory can take the place of real memories.

An example would be that many Americans don't know that the Russians did the bulk of the heavy lifting against the Germans.  Comes from watching too many propaganda movies.

[Huggy Bear]

Paul was Highly educated, he was tutored under Gamaliel.

Also It was customary for Jewish boys to receive an education

The tradition of Jewish education goes back to biblical times. One of the basic duties of Jewish parents is to provide for the instruction of their children. The obligation to teach one's children is set forth in the first paragraph of the Shema Yisrael prayer: “Take to heart these instructions with which I charge you this day. Impress them upon your children. Recite them when you stay at home and when you are away, when you lie down and when you get up. Bind them as sign on your hand and let them serve as a symbol on your forehead; inscribe them on the doorposts of your house and your gates.” (Deut 6:6-9).[3]

(Deut 32:7). The Book of Proverbs also contains many verses related to education: “My son, do not forget my teaching, but let your mind retain my commandments; For they will bestow on you length of days, years of life and well-being.“ (Prov 3:1-2).[4]

Elementary school learning was regarded as compulsory by Simeon ben Shetah as early as 75 BCE and Joshua ben Gamla in 64 CE. The education of older boys and men in a beit midrash goes back to the Second Temple period. The importance of education is stressed in the Talmud, which states that children should begin school at six. The rabbis stated that they should not be beaten with a stick or cane, that older students should help those who were younger, and that children should not be kept from their lessons by other duties. According to Judah ben Tema, “At five years the age is reached for studying the Bible, at ten for studying the Mishnah, at thirteen for fulfilling the mitzvoth, at fifteen for studying the Talmud.” (Avot 5:21). In keeping with this tradition, Jews established their own schools or hired private tutors for their children until the end of the 18th century. Schools were housed in annexes or separate buildings close to the synagogue.

Also, didn't people think Jesus was unlearned yet he was clearly able to read.

John 7
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

Luke 4
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

[Minimalist]

Which of the 4 "Paul's" was the highly educated one?

And "jewish boys" were no more educated than males of any other peasant society of the age.  95% of them never learned to read/write at all.  Sorry to burst your little fucking holy bubble.





(Actually I'm not.)

[Huggy Bear]

Which of the 4 "Paul's" was the highly educated one?

As far as the New Testament is concerned, there isn't. As far as recall Even your boy Ehrman doesn't claim that there were more than one Paul.

And "jewish boys" were no more educated than males of any other peasant society of the age.  95% of them never learned to read/write at all.  Sorry to burst your little fucking holy bubble.





(Actually I'm not.)

Care to provide a source for that? (even though your sources are dubious at best)

[Minimalist]

Would you read it if I did...or would you run crying back to your fucking bible as usual?

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?i...0674033818


Careful....it has a lot of big words in it that may be beyond your limited intellectual capacity.

The limited spread of literacy in the classical world had diverse effects. It gave some stimulus to critical thought and assisted the accumulation of knowledge, and the minority that did learn to read and write was to some extent able to assert itself politically. The written word was also an instrument of power, and its use was indispensable for the construction and maintenance of empires. Most intriguing is the role of writing in the new religious culture of the late Roman Empire, in which it was more and more revered but less and less practiced.

Harris explores these and related themes in this highly original work of social and cultural history. Ancient Literacy is important reading for anyone interested in the classical world, the problem of literacy, or the history of the written word.