Godschild Wrote:Explain to me why God would be responsible for AIDS...

Explain to me how an omnipotent god would not be responsible for AIDS.

(January 30, 2012 at 2:11 am)Stimbo Wrote: Sexual contact is not the only way of contracting this terrible disease. I have already explained this to you. The morality or otherwise of sex between consenting adults of any gender - or indeed any number of participants - is only peripherally relevant to the subject of disease in general and HIV in particular; especially since condoms have a proven track record of protecting against STDs.

As for this god being outside of nature: fine, so it can be safely ignored as it exists outside our reality. On the other hand, if it is supposed to have any effect whatsoever on our reality, then that effect must be detectable and measurable by definition. This puts it squarely in the realm of science, which examines events that exist in our reality and dissects them to discover the mechanism behind them. However, you want to eat your cake and have it too by staking claim to both sides of the argument. That is not a rational position to take.

Why is it that you guys have a hard time understanding something so simple. AIDS was first spread by sexual contact, no matter how it came to be in man if everyone had keep God's commandment of sex only between a man and his wife Aids would have soon died out. Condoms are not the issue here, the physical and mental health of people is the issue. You pointed out that children die of Aids but failed to point out why, it's the irresponsibility of people to not take precautions, so what good were condoms to those dead children.
I do not play both sides of the fence, it's those who chance their lives with sex outside of marriage. If everyone down through the ages had obeyed God's commandment not to have sex outside of marriage there would be no sexually transmitted diseases and no horrible deaths and there would be peace of mind. God is outside of nature but He does interact with man, an example the commandment I've be quoting. It is true and for mans own good, for some reason I want mention people just ignore it and suffer on. Just because you refuse to recognize that God is working in our lives does not mean He's not.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just because you refuse to recognize that God is working in our lives does not mean He's not.

Granted. But I don't think you're in any better position to know if god is working in your life when things go well or otherwise. It could be good genetics or luck when someone survives an illness or avoids contracting a disease. It doesn't have to be the will of some god who watches over each and every person's every act and thought, deciding what consequence to dish out in each case.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:52 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just because you refuse to recognize that God is working in our lives does not mean He's not.

Granted. But I don't think you're in any better position to know if god is working in your life when things go well or otherwise. It could be good genetics or luck when someone survives an illness or avoids contracting a disease. It doesn't have to be the will of some god who watches over each and every person's every act and thought, deciding what consequence to dish out in each case.

I believe I'm in the perfect position to see God working in my life, I'm looking for what He's doing and asking Him to work in and through my life.
God doesn't work that way IMO, He will walk through the hard times with us giving us the things we need to get through and at times He will take care of a problem for us no matter how big or small. God is active in my life, I know this without a doubt, I sorry others here can not understand, as I said I watch for what He does in my life and make I do believe that makes the difference.

(January 30, 2012 at 11:46 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 7:52 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just because you refuse to recognize that God is working in our lives does not mean He's not.

Granted. But I don't think you're in any better position to know if god is working in your life when things go well or otherwise. It could be good genetics or luck when someone survives an illness or avoids contracting a disease. It doesn't have to be the will of some god who watches over each and every person's every act and thought, deciding what consequence to dish out in each case.

I believe I'm in the perfect position to see God working in my life, I'm looking for what He's doing and asking Him to work in and through my life.
God doesn't work that way IMO, He will walk through the hard times with us giving us the things we need to get through and at times He will take care of a problem for us no matter how big or small. God is active in my life, I know this without a doubt, I sorry others here can not understand, as I said I watch for what He does in my life and make I do believe that makes the difference.

In a way, perhaps. Certainly you're the only one who can decide what makes sense for you. But my point remains. You have no objective evidence, nothing that could persuade a reasonable person. Just your interpretation of what you've witnessed. On a par with, but not superior to the witness each of us bears to our own experience. I can't say you are wrong -for you- but neither can you falsify mine or anyone else's truth. Do you really think you're in any better position to interpret the truth of everyone's experience than they are themselves? Please don't bring the bible into this. Its relevancy is precisely what is in question so citing it would be rather circular.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 2:11 am)Stimbo Wrote:

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Sexual contact is not the only way of contracting this terrible disease. I have already explained this to you. The morality or otherwise of sex between consenting adults of any gender - or indeed any number of participants - is only peripherally relevant to the subject of disease in general and HIV in particular; especially since condoms have a proven track record of protecting against STDs.

As for this god being outside of nature: fine, so it can be safely ignored as it exists outside our reality. On the other hand, if it is supposed to have any effect whatsoever on our reality, then that effect must be detectable and measurable by definition. This puts it squarely in the realm of science, which examines events that exist in our reality and dissects them to discover the mechanism behind them. However, you want to eat your cake and have it too by staking claim to both sides of the argument. That is not a rational position to take.

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Why is it that you guys have a hard time understanding something so simple. AIDS was first spread by sexual contact, no matter how it came to be in man if everyone had keep God's commandment of sex only between a man and his wife Aids would have soon died out.

First of all I'm not a plural; as far as I'm aware there is only me sitting here at this keyboard typing these replies to you. Unless you have information about my situation to which I am not privy, I would appreciate you keeping your condesencion to yourself. Thank you.

HIV/AIDS is a virus spread by exposure to infected human bodily fluids including blood and semen. Yes, sexual contact is one method by which it is spread but it's not the only one. You cannot say categorically that it was first spread via sexual contact as you simply cannot know this. Research has indicated that the virus migrated to humans from African simian species, specifically the white-collared monkey and chimpanzee. The disease endemic to those species is probably at least 32,000 years old (altogether now: Happy Birthday to you...) Given that humans have lived closely alongside such simians, not to mention hunting them, for a considerable percentage of that time, trans-species migration of diseases of any kind is sort of inevitable and it doesn't require them all to be rampant monkey-fuckers.

Once the virus had jumped across to our species, it makes little difference whether people go around bonking each other senseless or keep it in their pants until some bloke in a dress gives them permission to do it.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Condoms are not the issue here, the physical and mental health of people is the issue. You pointed out that children die of Aids but failed to point out why, it's the irresponsibility of people to not take precautions, so what good were condoms to those dead children.
I do not play both sides of the fence, it's those who chance their lives with sex outside of marriage. If everyone down through the ages had obeyed God's commandment not to have sex outside of marriage there would be no sexually transmitted diseases and no horrible deaths and there would be peace of mind.

Actually, I pointed out that children can be (and are) born pre-infected with the virus to women who themselves have contracted it. That is the 'why' for their dying that you failed to see me point out. What good would condoms have been to those children? Well, they would have prevented their being born into a life in which the best they could hope for is an untimely and horrible death but that wasn't even what I was talking about. Somehow I don't think it's worth even bothering to explain to someone who has stated, for all to see, that condoms and health are seperate issues.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: God is outside of nature but He does interact with man, an example the commandment I've be quoting. It is true and for mans own good, for some reason I want mention people just ignore it and suffer on.

This is such pure and unadulderated bollocks it's giving me headache trying to think down to this level. If god interacts with humans then such interactions must be observable and measurable, or at the very least detectable; otherwise you have no rational foundation for making the statement at all.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just because you refuse to recognize that God is working in our lives does not mean He's not.

And just because you keep making this claim doesn't mean it's true. It's up to you and your fellows to prove it.

Godschild Wrote:God is active in my life, I know this without a doubt...

If you have any examples of this that aren't too personal to share, I would love to hear them.

(January 30, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(January 30, 2012 at 2:11 am)Stimbo Wrote: Sexual contact is not the only way of contracting this terrible disease. I have already explained this to you. The morality or otherwise of sex between consenting adults of any gender - or indeed any number of participants - is only peripherally relevant to the subject of disease in general and HIV in particular; especially since condoms have a proven track record of protecting against STDs.

As for this god being outside of nature: fine, so it can be safely ignored as it exists outside our reality. On the other hand, if it is supposed to have any effect whatsoever on our reality, then that effect must be detectable and measurable by definition. This puts it squarely in the realm of science, which examines events that exist in our reality and dissects them to discover the mechanism behind them. However, you want to eat your cake and have it too by staking claim to both sides of the argument. That is not a rational position to take.

Why is it that you guys have a hard time understanding something so simple. AIDS was first spread by sexual contact, no matter how it came to be in man if everyone had keep God's commandment of sex only between a man and his wife Aids would have soon died out. Condoms are not the issue here, the physical and mental health of people is the issue. You pointed out that children die of Aids but failed to point out why, it's the irresponsibility of people to not take precautions, so what good were condoms to those dead children.
I do not play both sides of the fence, it's those who chance their lives with sex outside of marriage. If everyone down through the ages had obeyed God's commandment not to have sex outside of marriage there would be no sexually transmitted diseases and no horrible deaths and there would be peace of mind. God is outside of nature but He does interact with man, an example the commandment I've be quoting. It is true and for mans own good, for some reason I want mention people just ignore it and suffer on. Just because you refuse to recognize that God is working in our lives does not mean He's not.

*Sigh* the story for aids (take it for what it is worth), started by an african man EATING a dead monkey (bushmeat) who had the virus. This was passed through heterosexual sex, and is largely considered a hetersexual disease in Africa. It spread to America and eventually all over the world.

No god in any of that.

It always strikes me as too easy to say AIDS would not be a problem for us if man would just abide by god's law. One man, one woman and no cheating (or eating bush meat) and you won't have to worry about getting aides. The same can be said of murder. If people would just keep the 10 commandment, there wouldn't be any. Of course that is essentially a tautology so it isn't clear what the point of saying it might be. If everyone would just follow my mom's rule (from when I was a child) and "play nice", there would be very few hurt feelings and boo boos in the playground. But oh no, kids will be kids and that is why so many hugs and band aids are required.

If only we were different than we are by always followed a short list of rules, the world would be other than we find it. Talk about your untestable hypotheses.

Quote:I believe I'm in the perfect position to see God working in my life,

Actually, G-C you are a fucking lunatic who thinks he has a special friend.

You don't. You're wasting your life groveling to the non-existent.